Opinion on Cheaters

[Hammer Goblin]

Post inspired by SniperGirl's post

Disclaimer: This topic is semi-serious. If a moderator thinks this post isn't for this forum, let it be known I won't complain. If they believe if this is against the rules. I will either trim the opinion down to size or not post about it any further. Share with me your opinions as well, and my apologies for any inconsistent word vomit

Disclaimer 2, Electric Boogaloo: By no means am I endorsing cheating, offering third party links or regarding cheating as "Totally harmless" just a general opinion I have about cheats.

Also gotta drop my opinion on cheaters, and modifiers, and modders as a whole. As I have my share of encounters varying in games.

Opinion TL;DR - Not all cheaters are bad, just the ones who play "God" and I'm antisocial because people casually ruin games for me.

-Now to my opinion: Not all cheaters are bad, until they do something bad like Health cheats, and ammo dumps. I hate people who try to get fun out of being "God" in a game. * This is a No-No, Kick on the spot, if there was a ban button, ban them too from my game at least.

-As for people who's skill trees are inconsistent.. I hate to say it, I agree with anyone who says the level cap is a bother. I have no clue how hard it is to code enemies that are consistent with a player's level or the level of players in a given game. So I cannot say much on the topic besides how I feel.
* This doesn't mean go use trainers, or anything that will break the game, but if you use anything that will pop your skills to great heights. I discourage you doing so, because of the consequences. I can be forgiving, and I do not speak for others who may or may not kick you for doing so.

Actually fun fact about me, I am anti-social because cheaters ruin the game with particular cheats. As long as the cheat doesn't effect me, or my gameplay, I will be okay.

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By now, I think moderators will allow this as long as we don't actually discuss "how to do it".

First off, a word of advice (take it or leave it) to those who use trainers.

All trainers are executable files (.exe). Three of the most popular versions all "call home". Make sure to block them in your firewall (both in and out). If they stopped working after blocking them, you should uninstall.

The version that you can only get if you download their corresponding platform -- think hard before doing it. This include the version that was free before but has been monetized.

Players can be divided into three general categories just like many things in real life.

Non-conformists

Want Options

Play-as-is

GZ players category base on their seriousness in playing the game.

It's a game, period.

Play it, not just breeze through it

Very seriously to a point they want GZ to behave like PVP games (like COD, etc).

Players category base on how they want to play GZ.

I'd play as I wish -- paid for it.

I paid for it too but I can listen

I AM THE MOTHER OF ALL EXPERTs, do as I say. Hurrah. Yes sir. Left right, left right (just using someone else's words)

By design games are rolled out preset with assumptions as to the level of fun and/or challenge levels that can satisfy the buyers and end users -- the players. GZ has Adventure (Easy) Mode, Skirmish (Normal) and Guerrilla (Hard) Mode which the devs decided on the basis of their reading of the market and the users.

But no matter how the devs prepared their games, they won't exactly fit what end-users, the players would want. Some games are so far off their mark and some can make it very close to their target.

So if the game can't provide enough options for players to use and tweak the game to their satisfaction, they will look for solutions somewhere else.

I recently started a thread (which I don't want to visit again) comparing the Skills Tree to a big mod (tool) where beginners and experts, fun lovers and challenge lovers (beginners and experts will never see eye to eye, just as fun lovers and challenge lovers) could adjust some features to suit their their gameplay. It won't totally satisfy everyone, but it gives players in-game solutions instead of totally relying on third-party solutions.

I will assume the devs know they need to adjust the game to attract more buyers, but what is really bugging me is that the Apex engine itself feels too rigid and difficult to modify, or GZ codes are too rigid very unfriendly to modifications. That's why I started another thread to try to figure out the Apex Engine itself.

Meanwhile trainer users, mod users and play-as-is groups should avoid playing multiplayer outside their own grouping. Set MP to "invite only".

[MattWard]

Cheating is kind of pointless IMO. Even on skirmish the game is easy asf. Delayed and predictable attack patterns, being able to be undetected even when the machines are right next to you.

Yeah they do a lot of damage but when you have 50+ medkits and a s**t ton of flares (which aren't rare, you just have to be super devoted to looting every building) it's a damn cakewalk.

[Hammer Goblin]

Originally posted by MattWard:

Cheating is kind of pointless IMO. Even on skirmish the game is easy asf. Delayed and predictable attack patterns, being able to be undetected even when the machines are right next to you.

Yeah they do a lot of damage but when you have 50+ medkits and a s**t ton of flares (which aren't rare, you just have to be super devoted to looting every building) it's a damn cakewalk.

I can agree, minus the flares. I recently obtained the Experimental version of the 50. BMG Rifle. It tears through tanks like tissue paper on Skirmish.

I had only mentioned cheating and cheaters as a whole, because people find fun in their own way, and on top of that, I was thinking of doing something like this on a Solo Character. Where I am not effecting anyone, besides my friends granted they don't mind. I just know cheaters are typically frowned upon and I don't exactly wanna be bricked in with the people purposely ruin the game for others.

[reynraptor76]

What you do with your solo playthroughs is up to you imo. I don't use any mods at all, mostly because they have a bad affect on this game in particular and I don't see a need for them here. Best as I can tell, the devs only have issue with MP hacks that affect other players.

[Hammer Goblin]

Originally posted by reynraptor76:

What you do with your solo playthroughs is up to you imo. I don't use any mods at all, mostly because they have a bad affect on this game in particular and I don't see a need for them here. Best as I can tell, the devs only have issue with MP hacks that affect other players.

- I do agree cheating is pointless, considering my hours in the game and my constant flex of Tank Shredding in previous comments. Getting the Experimental PVG is a death sentence. Not for me. Lol.

But I do enjoy flavoring the game in a kind of crazy that I'd like to share with close friends or by my lonesome. Thanks for your opinion.

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My nephew's favorite fun add-on is the ability to jump over roofs of houses and buildings and crossing rivers by jumping in and out of water to reach the other side.

[Hammer Goblin]

Originally posted by 😡🤢😍 StillMourning:

My nephew's favorite fun add-on is the ability to jump over roofs of houses and buildings and crossing rivers by jumping in and out of water to reach the other side.

A fun addition would be able to swim, in my opinion. I'd probably swim the rivers in the world and see if I can find the world's edge in a way. If your talking about Gen Zero. :D

[SniperGirl]

Thank you Storm for starting this thread. It gives me a chance to make clear (I hope) my opinion on this matter.

I feel it is cheating a level 1 player that just started the game to have us level 31 players join into their game with 5* and 6* weapons, leveled out on our skills and they have nothing but a pistol, and at times not even that. But that is the way the matchmaker set up works.

At one point I had the hunting rifle and a AG4 in my locker so I could swap out my "big guns" to be a closer match to the host. But I needed the space so I stopped doing it. When I am in that position I just advise and avoid getting in combat and leave to play solo if I can't find a better "MATCH". Don't know how many times I have played through the very beginning of the game!

I have nothing against players using mods, cheats, edited game files, but not in public games. What you do in solo and INVITE ONLY is none of my business. But just like when I am matched up to a level 1 game, I have the option of staying or leaving. Just wish I didn't have to leave a game because one player is using mods.

I would like the option of selecting with mods or no mods, and the level of players in the game when joining public co-op games.

[Dirk Manderin]

Solo / Single player cheating is fine. Just don't complain about there not being enough content if you cheat your way through the game.

Multiplayer is ok if you're playing a game with just your friends. If not, then absolutely no cheating.

MMO - Cheaters / hackers / exploiters should be shot. EOD

[M0mdeck]

Originally posted by Dirk Manderin:

Solo / Single player cheating is fine. Just don't complain about there not being enough content if you cheat your way through the game.

Multiplayer is ok if you're playing a game with just your friends. If not, then absolutely no cheating.

MMO - Cheaters / hackers / exploiters should be shot. EOD

Absolutelly agree on that one.

[Hammer Goblin]

Originally posted by Dirk Manderin:

Solo / Single player cheating is fine. Just don't complain about there not being enough content if you cheat your way through the game.

Multiplayer is ok if you're playing a game with just your friends. If not, then absolutely no cheating.

MMO - Cheaters / hackers / exploiters should be shot. EOD

Couldn't agree more.

Example of multiplayer cheating I've personally seen was mostly on Grand Theft Auto Online... Where a lot of people cheat because of how broken the game is, where others don't cheat because its "easy". In reality, the people who say its easy have more time on the game and probably played day one. -Literally the one time I think cheating is applicable...

MMOs like ESO, Runescape. I've never seen many cheaters.. I view KempQ videos showing that there are plenty of darned PvP Lurers but you don't exactly worry about that in Gen Zero lol.

*Yay for word vomit.

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Originally posted by Dirk Manderin:

Solo / Single player cheating is fine. Just don't complain about there not being enough content if you cheat your way through the game.

Multiplayer is ok if you're playing a game with just your friends. If not, then absolutely no cheating.

MMO - Cheaters / hackers / exploiters should be shot. EOD

Yup MP only with your friends. Totally agree but I will not shoot them since you said it was OK to use anything during their play with friends. How people who bought the game play it in solo mode and mp with their friends is not other's business.

So trainer users play only with trainer users.
Modded players play only with modded players.
Purists play only with purists.

If they play MP in the wild those who complain should be shot.

[Hammer Goblin]

Well MP with people with consent; Ask if its okay that you cheat, come back as another non-cheat character if the answer is no. Not everyone is the same cookie cutter response to cheating, but I have had some pretty cruel/rude responses to cheating. Saints Row 3 was a bitter example back in the earlier years...

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Originally posted by Storm & Friends:

Well MP with people with consent; Ask if its okay that you cheat, come back as another non-cheat character if the answer is no. Not everyone is the same cookie cutter response to cheating, but I have had some pretty cruel/rude responses to cheating. Saints Row 3 was a bitter example back in the earlier years...

That's a very sensible idea. I will drink to that. 🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺

[indedragon]

I ran into a guy tonight who was bragging about all the cheats and mods he uses. Unlimited ammo, God Mode, He even said he had only been playing 3 days buy he found a mod that gave him max exp points. For me I was fine with it as it wasn't my host. But then he started following me around and when I would attack a tank he would use that minigun Rocket launcher and kill the tank in like 15 seconds. He said it was funny taking my kills away from me. I wrote his name down and left the game. Truthfully if he ever joins my host I will kick him out instantly no warning he is not my type of player.
I always tell people don't kill Rivals as I get Reapers at least once or twice a day. But I have had people give me a LOL and one said well this area is ruined now after he used a cheat to quickly kill an APOC Tank and dropping my area level below 19. I wrote his name and his friends name down and anytime they enter my host POW they are Kicked. More so recently I have noticed people using more cheats and Mods. If you use them to kill in my game I write your name down and then I kick you. The list of names next to my keyboard is getting longer every day.