Unwanted Juvenile Animals

[Hauw2x]

I'm perfectly fine raising a 0 stat ostrich just to release it to the wild. However, one of my African elephants gave birth to an unrated calf

That is when I realize he's gonna spend the next 15 years eating a lot, and if traded no one would want to adopt him

I don't think anyone adopts a non-gold elephant/chimpanzee/insert any species here that took 10+ years to mature and costs a lot

Can someone let me know what to do with these animals instead of just letting him occupy a spot in a trade center, feeding it to lions while being feasible, is really cruel

[さくらゆり]

Well unfortunately until they are "adults" they cannot be released or sold, and I don't know if the lions will eat them or if the keepers will intervene to "lock up" the animal before that happens, I have never tried it, What I have seen is baby baboons dying of thirst... If you want to try... although maybe other animals will die before that one xD

[marcellof97]

Just put it in a quarantine until maturation, then you can release him

[speerbauch]

Would that not decrease its wellfare down to a point were protectors show up?
You could maybe make a zoo exclusively for those unwanted animals and leave them there.
Means some switching between zoos though.

[grampers62]

Yeah, they still incur feed costs and their welfare decreases in quarantine.
This is why we often tell players to avoid mega fauna till the zoo is very well established.

[Just Kevin]

What does unrated mean? Normally most juveniles are very popular right from birth and become 'gold' quite fast.

[Hauw2x]

Originally posted by Just Kevin:

What does unrated mean? Normally most juveniles are very popular right from birth and become 'gold' quite fast.

Genetics has 4 tiers : gold, silver, bronze, and unrated
Breeding a costly long term animal seems to be rather pointless without gold genetics

No one'd want that animal

Originally posted by speerbauch:

Would that not decrease its wellfare down to a point were protectors show up?
You could maybe make a zoo exclusively for those unwanted animals and leave them there.
Means some switching between zoos though.

Switching between zoos? We can move an animal from one zoo to another?

Originally posted by さくらゆり:

Well unfortunately until they are "adults" they cannot be released or sold, and I don't know if the lions will eat them or if the keepers will intervene to "lock up" the animal before that happens, I have never tried it, What I have seen is baby baboons dying of thirst... If you want to try... although maybe other animals will die before that one xD

We already put chickens in a cramped space and bred them until they can't walk, we did the same with pig sheep and cow, we boil lobsters alive because it's tastier that way, we fish the ocean with trawl killing along the young
If you look at how much necessity can extrapolate human cruelty, instead of letting it die due to thirst/starvation, feeding it to lions for nourishment seem rather merciful

Originally posted by marcellof97:

Just put it in a quarantine until maturation, then you can release him

Uh no gramps was right

Originally posted by grampers62:

Yeah, they still incur feed costs and their welfare decreases in quarantine.
This is why we often tell players to avoid mega fauna till the zoo is very well established.

Even at this point with an established zoo I was thinking that breeding elephant was a mistake. They eat too much, cost too much, mature too long, take way too much space
In the same time frame it took for an elephant calf to maturity I could raise 7 batch of black timber wolves (another animal that is terrible at cost/appeal value), yet each could sell in the market for 2k

I seriously see no point of raising elephants except if someone specifically wants them, or community challenge

[grampers62]

If we are playing in franchise we may move animals from one zoo to another within the franchise using the trade center.
Yeah, elephants take a special desire to just have them in one's zoo. While they do have really good guest draw, they are one the very expensive species and only well planned franchise zoos can really afford them. (depending on what difficulty one chooses)

[wpegg]

What would happen if you:
1) Put him in the trade center
2) Create a new zoo and moved him into it
3) Delete the zoo

I haven't deleted a zoo in a while, do the animals get auto stored or are they just gone?

You could just leave the zoo open and just keep dumping unwanted animals into an incredibly overcrowed enclosure, or even the local quarantine.

[grampers62]

I think animals in a deleted zoo get automatically put in trade. If there are too many they keep popping in when we remove an animal from trade. ( at least that's what happened in the past)

[Just Kevin]

What does unrated mean? Normally most juveniles are very popular right from birth and become 'gold' quite fast.

Genetics has 4 tiers : gold, silver, bronze, and unrated
Breeding a costly long term animal seems to be rather pointless without gold genetics

No one'd want that animal

Yes I do notice the tiers, but you assume everyone plays in the Franchise, I don't and rather than wait around for gold, silver and bronze, to put in a new habitat I will buy 0s :-)

[さくらゆり]

Originally posted by Hauw2x:

Originally posted by Just Kevin:

What does unrated mean? Normally most juveniles are very popular right from birth and become 'gold' quite fast.

Genetics has 4 tiers : gold, silver, bronze, and unrated
Breeding a costly long term animal seems to be rather pointless without gold genetics

No one'd want that animal

Originally posted by speerbauch:

Would that not decrease its wellfare down to a point were protectors show up?
You could maybe make a zoo exclusively for those unwanted animals and leave them there.
Means some switching between zoos though.

Switching between zoos? We can move an animal from one zoo to another?

Originally posted by さくらゆり:

Well unfortunately until they are "adults" they cannot be released or sold, and I don't know if the lions will eat them or if the keepers will intervene to "lock up" the animal before that happens, I have never tried it, What I have seen is baby baboons dying of thirst... If you want to try... although maybe other animals will die before that one xD

We already put chickens in a cramped space and bred them until they can't walk, we did the same with pig sheep and cow, we boil lobsters alive because it's tastier that way, we fish the ocean with trawl killing along the young
If you look at how much necessity can extrapolate human cruelty, instead of letting it die due to thirst/starvation, feeding it to lions for nourishment seem rather merciful

Originally posted by marcellof97:

Just put it in a quarantine until maturation, then you can release him

Uh no gramps was right

Originally posted by grampers62:

Yeah, they still incur feed costs and their welfare decreases in quarantine.
This is why we often tell players to avoid mega fauna till the zoo is very well established.

Even at this point with an established zoo I was thinking that breeding elephant was a mistake. They eat too much, cost too much, mature too long, take way too much space
In the same time frame it took for an elephant calf to maturity I could raise 7 batch of black timber wolves (another animal that is terrible at cost/appeal value), yet each could sell in the market for 2k

I seriously see no point of raising elephants except if someone specifically wants them, or community challenge

An elephant, even a baby, suffers much more from being attacked by a pride of lions or hyenas than from dying of thirst. If they die of starvation, what happens in the end is that they faint and die without pain. If they are attacked by lions, they hurt them through suffering and terrible stress, since unlike zebras or gazelles, lions cannot "suffocate" an elephant, and they kill it by causing death through wounds and bites. If you don't know what you're talking about about "cruelty" you better not say stupid things, it's more cruel to put a baby elephant in an enclosure full of lions than to let it die of thirst, which, by the way, is the main cause of death of elephants at a natural level.

That's aside from the fact that we're talking about a game, that is, an elephant doesn't die, a group of pixels die, but even so, you try to give lessons on "morality", people have to make a living from something, if you weren't the typical American spoiled, you would know that there are many people in the world who eat what they can, and not what is on sale at Wallmart.

[Hauw2x]

Originally posted by さくらゆり:

That's aside from the fact that we're talking about a game, that is, an elephant doesn't die, a group of pixels die, but even so, you try to give lessons on "morality", people have to make a living from something, if you weren't the typical American spoiled, you would know that there are many people in the world who eat what they can, and not what is on sale at Wallmart.

Oh for the record, my ancestor came from a place where your ancestor rape/kill/loot around 300 thousand people, give or take, and make stupid contest how many Chinese they can kill in a single day, and a lot of people still deny responsibility until this day and enshrine war criminals in a shrine

Somewhere before that my grandmother emigrated from China to Indonesia, and then your great/grandparents subjugated us in what the historians describe as "cruelest colonialism in the 2000+ years of our archipelago"
Which came as shocking for the younger generations, because the Dutch had us in 140 years, the Japanese only 3 years and half, yet almost every old people here (who went through both) said Japanese are crueler

But we're only talking about history. We're absolutely not blaming you for the things your ancestors did. That's like blaming white people for black slavery. Or blaming developed countries that their former collonies are undeveloped back water countries.

I'll think of the animals as a group of pixels next time. I think that would be easier 😂😂😂😂

Originally posted by Just Kevin:

Yes I do notice the tiers, but you assume everyone plays in the Franchise, I don't and rather than wait around for gold, silver and bronze, to put in a new habitat I will buy 0s :-)

Yeah when I'm starting back then I hunt for bronze/silver rated males, and then pair the males with a lot of females... I get a better group of females (mostly rated) the second generation, release/sell the males, and find the best male I can get

After 3 generations everything is gold rated

Originally posted by grampers62:

I think animals in a deleted zoo get automatically put in trade. If there are too many they keep popping in when we remove an animal from trade. ( at least that's what happened in the past)

I think this would work

[さくらゆり]

Originally posted by Hauw2x:

Originally posted by さくらゆり:

That's aside from the fact that we're talking about a game, that is, an elephant doesn't die, a group of pixels die, but even so, you try to give lessons on "morality", people have to make a living from something, if you weren't the typical American spoiled, you would know that there are many people in the world who eat what they can, and not what is on sale at Wallmart.

Oh for the record, my ancestor came from a place where your ancestor rape/kill/loot around 300 thousand people, give or take, and make stupid contest how many Chinese they can kill in a single day, and a lot of people still deny responsibility until this day and enshrine war criminals in a shrine

Somewhere before that my grandmother emigrated from China to Indonesia, and then your great/grandparents subjugated us in what the historians describe as "cruelest colonialism in the 2000+ years of our archipelago"
Which came as shocking for the younger generations, because the Dutch had us in 140 years, the Japanese only 3 years and half, yet almost every old people here (who went through both) said Japanese are crueler

But we're only talking about history. We're absolutely not blaming you for the things your ancestors did. That's like blaming white people for black slavery. Or blaming developed countries that their former collonies are undeveloped back water countries.

I'll think of the animals as a group of pixels next time. I think that would be easier 😂😂😂😂

You can try to ridicule my explanation to make yourself funny, but you were the one who started talking about politics. I also said that IN THE GAME what dies are not animals, they are "a group of pixels." And I'm not going to go into your accusations towards "my ancestors", you discredit yourself by talking like this about someone you don't know at all and attacking their family without having any idea of ​​their history.

[Hauw2x]

Originally posted by さくらゆり:

You can try to ridicule my explanation to make yourself funny, but you were the one who started talking about politics. I also said that IN THE GAME what dies are not animals, they are "a group of pixels." And I'm not going to go into your accusations towards "my ancestors", you discredit yourself by talking like this about someone you don't know at all and attacking their family without having any idea of ​​their history.

Did you read the part where I mention there was no one blaming you?
I am simply clarifying to what you said, are you a spoiled American, that was my answer to that

I don't understand how you came to the conclusion that i am accusing you
Those things I wrote are 100% historically verified, as much as the atomic bombing

When I said "your ancestor", it was an idiom of speech, it does not translate into "your ancestor did this", but in fact, "your nation did this" - and like I said, it's not blaming you

I think this conversation is getting nowhere. I don't understand how I got you offended. I don't think you understand me either. We have language barriers. I am sorry. I think I should stop

[frantic cat]

Originally posted by さくらゆり:

Originally posted by Hauw2x:

Genetics has 4 tiers : gold, silver, bronze, and unrated
Breeding a costly long term animal seems to be rather pointless without gold genetics

No one'd want that animal



Switching between zoos? We can move an animal from one zoo to another?



We already put chickens in a cramped space and bred them until they can't walk, we did the same with pig sheep and cow, we boil lobsters alive because it's tastier that way, we fish the ocean with trawl killing along the young
If you look at how much necessity can extrapolate human cruelty, instead of letting it die due to thirst/starvation, feeding it to lions for nourishment seem rather merciful



Uh no gramps was right



Even at this point with an established zoo I was thinking that breeding elephant was a mistake. They eat too much, cost too much, mature too long, take way too much space
In the same time frame it took for an elephant calf to maturity I could raise 7 batch of black timber wolves (another animal that is terrible at cost/appeal value), yet each could sell in the market for 2k

I seriously see no point of raising elephants except if someone specifically wants them, or community challenge

That's aside from the fact that we're talking about a game, that is, an elephant doesn't die, a group of pixels die, but even so, you try to give lessons on "morality", people have to make a living from something, if you weren't the typical American spoiled, you would know that there are many people in the world who eat what they can, and not what is on sale at Wallmart.

what is blud yapping about