Parents Become Unknown...

[Bobbo662]

I was looking at my Indian Peafowl, I know when I created the habitat, I had a female and male. Wanted them to mate of course, but I notice when they have offsprings, and one of their parents die, if I click on the offspring's parent, the dead parent becomes "unknown" and the other one that is alive is listed.

Is that suppose to be that way? I thought it would keep track of the dead parents name instead of calling them "unknown"

[XrystalBelle]

Hmm, my babies are shown with parents names if they were in the current zoo regardless of being dead or alive or traded out. Whether it resets after you save and exit and then start up again I don't know yet. That would be the only thing I can think of that could make details that existed to disappear... but I would have thought the animals parent/children/sibling information was stored in the data and never removed, but it is a possibility.

[Metalhead123]

I think it removes the name of the animal when it dies. I had a Male Giraffe who spent his entire life in captivity at my zoo (born, raised and died) He was the father to 9 of the younger Giraffes.

When clicking on his children (after his death) his name appeared as unknown. He lived for 32.6 years which is 7.6 years over thier life expectancy.

[XrystalBelle]

Just logged into a zoo that I haven't played since before xmas ( been working on the scenarios for a second time ) .

This is what my in zoo bred animals family information looks like. Notice the different states, including the dead father, to the currently selected animal.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1968076664

[Bobbo662]

Originally posted by Metalhead123:

I think it removes the name of the animal when it dies. I had a Male Giraffe who spent his entire life in captivity at my zoo (born, raised and died) He was the father to 9 of the younger Giraffes.

When clicking on his children (after his death) his name appeared as unknown. He lived for 32.6 years which is 7.6 years over thier life expectancy.

Yeah, that's what I mean - the parent for some reason becomes "unknown" but maybe it works with some animals, but not all - like the post above.

[XrystalBelle]

I tried to check my Giraffe collection but all their parents were traded out or released, not died.

But one thought, were the parents dead before the patch that added the family tree feature ? If so that would be why there is no details for them as it wouldn't have been stored on the child's data.

Checked my peafowl collection and they have the same problem .. animals born in the zoo show unknown parents... however, these animals haven't been born after the family tree feature patch. Will play through the zoo and see what happens. However, my animals rarely die in the zoo as I release them after they have had at least 3 broods.

[XrystalBelle]

Although come to think of it ..

I have a bunch of older peafowl that were first generation born in the zoo .. they all have their parents as unknown or released. But their siblings are applied correctly.

Thought : The parents were from another zoo and the children were transferred into another zoo for further breeding. , on transfer maybe the parents information is lost if they are not in the current zoo. Maybe sibling and children info will disappear for the same reason. Further tests needed.

Thought : The sibling and children information were always stored correctly but for some reason the parental information wasn't prior to the patch. Possible but doubt this is the reason.

[Bobbo662]

Originally posted by XrystalBelle:

Although come to think of it ..

I have a bunch of older peafowl that were first generation born in the zoo .. they all have their parents as unknown or released. But their siblings are applied correctly.

Thought : The parents were from another zoo and the children were transferred into another zoo for further breeding. , on transfer maybe the parents information is lost if they are not in the current zoo. Maybe sibling and children info will disappear for the same reason. Further tests needed.

Thought : The sibling and children information were always stored correctly but for some reason the parental information wasn't prior to the patch. Possible but doubt this is the reason. [/quot}
Thank you for checking it out, I think you may be right about coming from another zoo.

[XrystalBelle]

Okay .. after some playing some of my other animals in that zoo I haven't played in for a while ..

This peafowl was in a zoo I hadn't played before the patch .. having the identifier A1 means he was a first generation born animal and his parents would have been known at his birth and before they were released/traded etc.

Peafowl
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1968327754


This chinese pangolin was born in the zoo before the family tree patch ( identifier A1 ) but his parents have only just died in the neighbouring habitat. Notice the dead note on the parents names.
Chinese Pangolin
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1968368102

So far, it looks like peafowl is an animal that may have issues with identifying dead parents. With them living a long time none of my peafowls parents would have died.. so the ones born in the zoos should have identifiable parents. I've got over 25 zoos with a varied collection of animals so will take some time to identify more animals to see whether others have similar issues.

[XrystalBelle]

So based on these few findings ...
if the animal was born before the patch ... no parent markers
If the parent died before the patch .. no parent markers
Will see if other situations occur that explain this before we call it a bug.

[XrystalBelle]

Originally posted by Bobbo662:

Originally posted by XrystalBelle:

Although come to think of it ..

I have a bunch of older peafowl that were first generation born in the zoo .. they all have their parents as unknown or released. But their siblings are applied correctly.

Thought : The parents were from another zoo and the children were transferred into another zoo for further breeding. , on transfer maybe the parents information is lost if they are not in the current zoo. Maybe sibling and children info will disappear for the same reason. Further tests needed.

Thought : The sibling and children information were always stored correctly but for some reason the parental information wasn't prior to the patch. Possible but doubt this is the reason.

Thank you for checking it out, I think you may be right about coming from another zoo.

No problems .. I have tons of peafowl to redistribute to refresh the DNA so will see what happens when I transfer them between my zoos. It might not be treated the same as trading between franchises. If it does turn out to be the case maybe a new reason should be added like transfer ..

Unknown - Purchased from the trade center
Alive - Parents known and still alive
Transferred - Parents known and transferred to another zoo in the same franchise ( cause ? )
Traded - Parents known and traded out of the franchise
Died - Parents known and died ( but maybe only since the patch )

[XrystalBelle]

Aha .. progress...

These are siberian tigers born in a different zoo in my franchise. They had been sent to the trade center when they grew up waiting for trading out, releasing and transferring. They are sisters which is information kept. Now whether their parents died before the patch I don't know. Maybe if I find them in the other zoo it will update the records ( because it has the record of their children ).

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1968438139


Same with the Red Pando
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1968471675

[XrystalBelle]

Maybe only animals in zoos after the patch are updated as and when you load them up next. These tigers are amongst a ton of animals that were transferred because I had accidentally deleted the saved game. This implies that the parents had already died. Will see what the situation is with the others that were *kicked out* too.

[Bobbo662]

Originally posted by XrystalBelle:

Okay .. after some playing some of my other animals in that zoo I haven't played in for a while ..

This peafowl was in a zoo I hadn't played before the patch .. having the identifier A1 means he was a first generation born animal and his parents would have been known at his birth and before they were released/traded etc.

Peafowl
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1968327754


This chinese pangolin was born in the zoo before the family tree patch ( identifier A1 ) but his parents have only just died in the neighbouring habitat. Notice the dead note on the parents names.
Chinese Pangolin
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1968368102

So far, it looks like peafowl is an animal that may have issues with identifying dead parents. With them living a long time none of my peafowls parents would have died.. so the ones born in the zoos should have identifiable parents. I've got over 25 zoos with a varied collection of animals so will take some time to identify more animals to see whether others have similar issues.

Peafowl was the one that I came across this issue, it seems to be working on my Zebras, I notice that my male albino zebra is listed, but he hasn't died - sadly - I'm gonna miss him when he goes, he's my baby :-(

[XrystalBelle]

This camel was born in the zoo, sent to trade when it grew up and then placed back into the same zoo .. his parents are still in the zoo.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1968457316

[XrystalBelle]

Ok, cleared out some of my trade storage and confirmed that animals born in one zoo and transferred into another zoo has the opportunity to have its parents details become unknown. Whether it is due to the transfer or due to the parents being dead before the patch I don't know.

But now I have space to test the theory on my peafowl that have living parents in the other zoos and have a valid family tree prior to movement. Time to see if there is a problem then.