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esnupito 2019 年 11 月 7 日 下午 5:04
Wolves constantly fighting, even their children.
As soon as wolves grow up, they fight their parents. This has to be a bug. Also, we all know that wolves live in packs, & alpha wolves aren't even a thing IRL, so with all the research this game went through to develop, why do they have alphas & betas anyways? Has anyone even gotten more than 2 adult wolves to live together successfully? My wolves habitat is 3 times as much as they need..
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jfoytek 2019 年 11 月 7 日 下午 5:05 
Because these wolves are in captivity and evidently everyone does not understand the lives of captive wolves and how different they are from wild ones!

esnupito 2019 年 11 月 7 日 下午 5:06 
引用自 jfoytek
Because these wolves are in captivity and evidently everyone does not understand the lives of captive wolves and how different they are from wild ones!
Soooo Frontier just ignores all the research about wolves to make them have alpha/betas anyways? That makes this ok.. how?
jfoytek 2019 年 11 月 7 日 下午 5:10 
引用自 crybaby
引用自 jfoytek
Because these wolves are in captivity and evidently everyone does not understand the lives of captive wolves and how different they are from wild ones!
Soooo Frontier just ignores all the research about wolves to make them have alpha/betas anyways? That makes this ok.. how?

No your misinformed and need to do your research!

Captive wolves actually demonstrate more violent behavior than wild wolves. Tour guides often refer to the more dominant (read aggres-sive) captives as “alpha wolves,” a largely outdated term coined by animal behaviorist Rudolph Schenkel in the 1940s. Schenkel applied the term “alpha” to winners of the fierce contests for dominance he observed in a group of captive wolves. Renowned wolf biologist L. David Mech, though, who has extensively studied wolves in the wild, has called the whole alpha concept into question, pointing out that at its core a wild wolf pack is made up of Mom, Dad and kids. Calling a breeding male and female the “alpha pair” makes about as much sense as describing human parents as “alphas.” As adults with survival skills and experience, wolf parents are natural leaders, but they don’t abuse their offspring physically or psychologically to make them behave. Displays of dominance and submission, as when a wild wolf rolls on its back, are voluntary, not forced, and serve to maintain friendly relations within the pack, much as human social courtesies do. Mech prefers the term “breeding pair” to refer to reproducing members of a wild wolf pack.

Calling a captive group of mostly unrelated animals a pack, as many captive-wolf operations do, is misleading in a number of ways. In captivity, wolves can’t cooperate to hunt together or disperse to form new packs. As Weber of Mission: Wolf points out: “Throwing a bunch of captive wolves together to observe pack dynamics is like throwing a group of prison inmates together to study family relationships.” Wolf handlers sometimes receive the brunt of confinement stress and territoriality, even from bottle fed, human socialized wolves—getting nipped, bitten or chased out of enclosures. At Arizona’s Eagle Tail Mountain Wolf Sanctuary, Kelly Reed told me that some wolves that have lived at the sanctuary for more than eight years remain unapproachable. I watched as some animals paced inside their fences, treading the same pattern over and over, wearing trenches a foot deep in some places.

https://montanapioneer.com/the-lives-of-captive-wolves/
最后由 jfoytek 编辑于; 2019 年 11 月 7 日 下午 5:11
esnupito 2019 年 11 月 7 日 下午 5:45 
So where in this copy-paste did you answer my question.. You're saying it's realistic for animals to start fighting their parents when the clock strikes midnight on their birthday?
Nova 2019 年 11 月 7 日 下午 5:57 
引用自 crybaby
So where in this copy-paste did you answer my question.. You're saying it's realistic for animals to start fighting their parents when the clock strikes midnight on their birthday?

Yes it does if you have basic comprehension skills.

Its a game so they have set values of child or adult. Adult will fight for the spot of alpha. Now you know the mechanics make adjustments accordingly. The game even warns you they are about to mature at which point just watch them for a second, pause when they mature and sort out what you are doing from there.

This is a video game, not real life, do you complain in a FPS when you hit someone in the leg and they continue to run at the same speed...
esnupito 2019 年 11 月 7 日 下午 6:03 
引用自 Nova
Its a game so they have set values of child or adult. Adult will fight for the spot of alpha.

But, they don't. They fight constantly & you have to immediately sell the babies. If they fought for the spot of """""alpha"""" then went on living together, it would be accurate. What he pasted is talking about unrelated wolves, these are a family bred pack.
Nova 2019 年 11 月 7 日 下午 6:20 
They do, they all have to fight to work out who is top. Just because wolf A beats wolf B for Alpha doesn't mean that wolf A beats wolves C, D, E and F and as such they must all fight for top spot. Eventually after a lot of fighting they will settle down until they breed again.
Shoebsy 2019 年 11 月 7 日 下午 6:22 
引用自 Nova
They do, they all have to fight to work out who is top. Just because wolf A beats wolf B for Alpha doesn't mean that wolf A beats wolves C, D, E and F and as such they must all fight for top spot. Eventually after a lot of fighting they will settle down until they breed again.


If they settled down in game, it would be 'better', But since their happiness is tied to social group size, They'll constantly fight until it's settled. :/
esnupito 2019 年 11 月 7 日 下午 10:46 
can't tell if we're on game or real life anymore lol, but mine will not stop fighting. literally years. they have to go to the vet for injuries & as soon as they're back they fight again & have to get surgery AGAIN. :(
Proto 2019 年 11 月 7 日 下午 11:10 
So I started franchise mode and the first animal I went with was the African Wild Dogs. Originally I wanted to go with wolves, but because of their aggressiveness they don't make good "group" animals. After breeding African Wild Dogs so extensively I learned that even when the babies become a adult and that their social group is too big they won't fight UNLESS the female population is equal or more than the males.

So you can have double the amount of what is required in social group as long as there less females than males. Though all animals will fight from overcrowding if there isn't enough space.

Interesting what you can find about your animals after dealing with them for so long.
最后由 Proto 编辑于; 2019 年 11 月 7 日 下午 11:13
Sebrim 2019 年 11 月 7 日 下午 11:18 
in the social bar it says that they only suport adults(1 male 1 female), so yes they are programmed to fight till their bar stops being red
also in the zoopedia you can see what their max group size can be
if you want multiple wolves have pens ready to move the little ones as soon as they are born even
I get they are trying to be realistic, but this "release/sell as soon as it matures till your main one dies and you have to get a new one from the market" is just not fun
最后由 Sebrim 编辑于; 2019 年 11 月 7 日 下午 11:20
esnupito 2019 年 11 月 8 日 上午 12:25 
引用自 Serb
in the social bar it says that they only suport adults(1 male 1 female), so yes they are programmed to fight till their bar stops being red
also in the zoopedia you can see what their max group size can be

I read on the fandom/wiki that it could be up to 12 but that's of course not official, just wondered where they got that from then?




引用自 Mugenmori
So you can have double the amount of what is required in social group as long as there less females than males. Though all animals will fight from overcrowding if there isn't enough space.

Interesting..
CaptainSabs 2019 年 11 月 8 日 上午 12:31 
I mean of course they're fighting. Young wolves are supposed to go off to find their own territory but they can't, so you gotta sell them or save them til their parents are dead
esnupito 2019 年 11 月 8 日 上午 12:43 
引用自 CaptainSabs
I mean of course they're fighting. Young wolves are supposed to go off to find their own territory but they can't, so you gotta sell them or save them til their parents are dead

I mean if you want to be scienficially accurate wolves don't go off in their own until they're years older than what the game considers an adult but go off I guess
Melon 2019 年 11 月 8 日 上午 1:36 
I agree with you, I don't get why we have alphas/betas in this game. I thought frontier wanted it to be realistic? Having 2 of each animal only isn't realistic, and it's the same way for most animals in this game. It doesn't make sense, but I think the reason why the children are fighting the parents when they grow up is because there's no family tree in this game. There's no way to see family relationships, and for social animals such as wolves, this makes little sense.
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