Why the F*** is jumping a thing in this game?

[Noodlerules]

It adds nothing, actually subtracts from this game, and makes firefights ridiculous.
All jumping actually does is make certain SCPs who cant jump laughably easy to kill on the surface. It also allows people to get to unrealistic places, like the top of SCP 106's containment box. Also it makes firefights stupid. Trying to shoot somebody who is f***king bouncing around like a f***ing slinky is not only unrealistic, but is also a serious issue especially when aiming for headshots is crucial. Instead of jumping if it is really a necessary thing to add to the game, make it possible to vault over things.

[HECU Soldier]

Originally posted by Dark Master:

Originally posted by HECU Soldier:

A: Who the ♥♥♥♥ gets their immersion ruined by jumping? lmao. Sides what about the people who don't rp in this game?
B: Ok? This game isn't easy. Your not gonna land every spot, try to move while shooting.
C: Ok yes this is a problem but we should fix the spots, not remove jumping.
D: Ok? This game isn't easy, its still possible. Just hard.

The problem is that gunfights look silly, instead they should add crouching, when you jump without jumping while crouched you go just as high as 096 when it jumps but if you crouch and jump you'll jump just as high as you already.

I don't care how they look just as long as the target is dead. I don't see a point of adding this if you can just do the same with an extra button lol

[Sir Mix-a-Lot]

There are a bunch of drawbacks when it comes to jumping. most of them have already been mentioned (i think there are 3 pages of this and reading is hard) so i'll mostly just bring up the positives.

firstly, it's a third dimension of movement. this can be seen by a negative as well as a positive, but the reasons as to why it is a negative boil down to the fact that there are a bunch of spots that are totally disproportionate in terms of effort to get up there between SCPs and regular human classes. (namely the cabinet and cameras). It's these spots that need to be fixed, not jumping. (although it would be nice if every SCP had the same jump, especially enraged 096).

the reason why the third dimension of movement is a good thing is also between SCP and non-SCPs. In chases just closing doors on the SCP becomes very, VERY VERY repetitive. doors are the one element of SCP chases that remain constant throughout every single floor. however, in certain rooms, there are some jumps that allow you to out manoeuvre your opponent. this is a genuine element of skill and it's existence in the game, at least for me, keeps the game exciting.

I don't think that jumping in firefights is overall a bad thing. it making it unrealistic is definitely a problem, but i've never been one who needs realism in a game to enjoy it. The main problem with this is the actual jump physics imo; being able to fully control your movement while jumping makes it look plain wrong.

This game is not an FPS first. It's more about co-operation and social interaction. i've always thought that this game was more like vrchat than cs:go. There are plenty of games that have rapid movement like jumping (as a matter of fact crouching is probably much worse in this regard) that actually are an FPS first. there are problems with jumping, but fixing them by removing jumping seems beyond reckless.

[Hund]

Guys. We're arguing about jumping not being realistic in a game with a concrete statue that moves when you're not looking that people call peanut.

[Eldershire]

Originally posted by Hund:

Guys. We're arguing about jumping not being realistic in a game with a concrete statue that moves when you're not looking that people call peanut.

+1

[Noodlerules]

Originally posted by HECU Soldier:

A: Who the ♥♥♥♥ gets their immersion ruined by jumping? lmao. Sides what about the people who don't rp in this game?
B: Ok? This game isn't easy. Your not gonna land every spot, try to move while shooting.
C: Ok yes this is a problem but we should fix the spots, not remove jumping.
D: Ok? This game isn't easy, its still possible. Just hard.

A: People who understand how terrible humans are at jumping
B: The game dosen't have to be easy, but I argue this is a poor mechanic to use to increase difficulty due to how it allows people to escape corners and long hallways after being spotted.
C: I agree we should fix the spots, but it would be easier to remove jumping
D: I'd argue that the difficulty shouldn't come from a unrealistic jumping mechanic, it should be more along the lines of strategy and hiding. Considering how easy it is to quickly be killed by headshots, D Class should be hiding and waiting to get around the NTF not just jumping through this game.

[Noodlerules]

Originally posted by Hund:

Guys. We're arguing about jumping not being realistic in a game with a concrete statue that moves when you're not looking that people call peanut.

Realism is secondary to how jumping affects the gameplay.

[Hund]

Originally posted by Noodlerules:

Originally posted by Hund:

Guys. We're arguing about jumping not being realistic in a game with a concrete statue that moves when you're not looking that people call peanut.

Realism is secondary to how jumping affects the gameplay.

Let me just quickly quote something you said in the description.
"Bouncing around like a f**cking slinky is not only unrealistic"
You are bringing realism into this.

[Noodlerules]

Originally posted by Hund:

Originally posted by Noodlerules:

Realism is secondary to how jumping affects the gameplay.

Let me just quickly quote something you said in the description.
"Bouncing around like a f**cking slinky is not only unrealistic"
You are bringing realism into this.

Key word Secondary

[Eldershire]

Originally posted by Noodlerules:

Originally posted by HECU Soldier:

A: Who the ♥♥♥♥ gets their immersion ruined by jumping? lmao. Sides what about the people who don't rp in this game?
B: Ok? This game isn't easy. Your not gonna land every spot, try to move while shooting.
C: Ok yes this is a problem but we should fix the spots, not remove jumping.
D: Ok? This game isn't easy, its still possible. Just hard.

A: People who understand how terrible humans are at jumping
B: The game dosen't have to be easy, but I argue this is a poor mechanic to use to increase difficulty due to how it allows people to escape corners and long hallways after being spotted.
C: I agree we should fix the spots, but it would be easier to remove jumping
D: I'd argue that the difficulty shouldn't come from a unrealistic jumping mechanic, it should be more along the lines of strategy and hiding. Considering how easy it is to quickly be killed by headshots, D Class should be hiding and waiting to get around the NTF not just jumping through this game.

A: Who gives a ♥♥♥♥
B: No one said this game has to be hard
C: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND8XPBy8Bp0
D: No one can "jump through this game" you have to hide or run>

Originally posted by Noodlerules:

Originally posted by Hund:

Guys. We're arguing about jumping not being realistic in a game with a concrete statue that moves when you're not looking that people call peanut.

Realism is secondary to how jumping affects the gameplay.

Realism is basicly your argument.

[Kaiju]

Originally posted by Eldershire:

Originally posted by Noodlerules:

A: People who understand how terrible humans are at jumping
B: The game dosen't have to be easy, but I argue this is a poor mechanic to use to increase difficulty due to how it allows people to escape corners and long hallways after being spotted.
C: I agree we should fix the spots, but it would be easier to remove jumping
D: I'd argue that the difficulty shouldn't come from a unrealistic jumping mechanic, it should be more along the lines of strategy and hiding. Considering how easy it is to quickly be killed by headshots, D Class should be hiding and waiting to get around the NTF not just jumping through this game.

A: Who gives a ♥♥♥♥
B: No one said this game has to be hard
C: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND8XPBy8Bp0
D: No one can "jump through this game" you have to hide or run>

Originally posted by Noodlerules:

Realism is secondary to how jumping affects the gameplay.

Realism is basicly your argument.

Yeah but the problem is its very difficult to actually do these as 096 and some places like the locker in the PC room is impossible for 096 to jump on, they should make it more simple and just make him jump high like a hunter from L4D and jump off walls "see my 096 idea's"

[Noodlerules]

Originally posted by Eldershire:

Originally posted by Noodlerules:

Realism is secondary to how jumping affects the gameplay.

Realism is basicly your argument.

Have you been reading my comments at all?

[Eldershire]

Originally posted by Noodlerules:

Originally posted by Eldershire:

Realism is basicly your argument.

Have you been reading my comments at all?

Yes, and alot of them say that humans can't jump well.

[Noodlerules]

Originally posted by Eldershire:

Originally posted by Noodlerules:

Have you been reading my comments at all?

Yes, and alot of them say that humans can't jump well.

1 out of my 4 points was realism

[Eldershire]

Originally posted by Noodlerules:

Originally posted by Eldershire:

Yes, and alot of them say that humans can't jump well.

1 out of my 4 points was realism

Originally posted by Noodlerules:

It also allows people to get to unrealistic places... Trying to shoot somebody who is f***king bouncing around like a f***ing slinky is not only unrealistic

Originally posted by Noodlerules:

Originally posted by HECU Soldier:

-1 This is stupid, jumping shouldn't be removed, you know how many times you can escape danger just by jumping?

That's the problem, its far to easy to escape danger due to the unrealistic jumping.

Originally posted by Noodlerules:

In reality humans are very bad at jumping, go into your bedroom or livingroom and try to jump over your bed or couch, unless you are an olympic gymnist you're not going to be able to do it. Humans are really bad at jumping. Believe me, the jumping in this game is unrealistic. People can't just jump straight up like you can in video games. Suprise Suprise not everything you see in video games is true.

Originally posted by Noodlerules:

Originally posted by HECU Soldier:

I know everything in video games is not true. I feel like NTF, Chaos and Facility guards are trained in that because there containing/fighting GOIs and SCPs who breached. Some people play this game not seriously and not looking for realism, more then the average RP player and I doubt they even get their immersion ruined by jumping. People including me enjoy being able to jump out of danger. Your acting salty bc you were 096 and couldn't reach someone because you weren't in rage state.

1: NTF, CI, and FG are still human. Jumping straight up as seen in SL is unrealistic for humans...

Originally posted by Noodlerules:

Originally posted by HECU Soldier:

takes away what?

A: Realism...

Originally posted by Noodlerules:

Originally posted by HECU Soldier:

A: Who the ♥♥♥♥ gets their immersion ruined by jumping? lmao. Sides what about the people who don't rp in this game?
B: Ok? This game isn't easy. Your not gonna land every spot, try to move while shooting.
C: Ok yes this is a problem but we should fix the spots, not remove jumping.
D: Ok? This game isn't easy, its still possible. Just hard.

A: People who understand how terrible humans are at jumping...
D: I'd argue that the difficulty shouldn't come from a unrealistic jumping mechanic...

You sure fam?

[HECU Soldier]

I heard literally nobody but you complain about jumping. Even if is "unrealistic", people still use it. Not everyone is someone looking to RP in this game btw, some people are here for a good time and will just spout memes and jokes throughout their whole game session. This is a stupid idea that you came up with because you got salty when someone killed you while jumping.