Why are Legend, Anniversary and Underworld considered bad?

[Nino_Chaosdrache]

Like the title says why are people saying that Tomb Raider Legend and the other two games of the trilogy are bad Tomb Raider games? I don't want to say they are wrong, but just want to hear their opinion about it. Afte rplaying some of the older Tomb Raiders I know that it has more action sequences than the previous games, but there must be more I assume.

Now I want to say, that I'm not a Tomb Raider noob. I played Tomb Raider 2, Tomb Raider 3, am currently playing The last Revelation and played Chronicles and The Angel of Darkness with 12, 13 years. So basically my first TR games were Chronicles and AoD and when Legend was released after the mess that AoD sometimes was I was all like " Wow, finally a real Tomb Raider game again". YOu could say Legend made me interested in the franchise again and after Legend I bought Anniversary without even reading any reviews, because I expected it to be as awesome as Legend was. Which it was as well.

With my back story being told I would like to hear your reason about why you didn't like Legend the whole trilogy around it.

[Leonardo]

I readed your profile, so you only can enter on steam on the library? Its gonna be a tough job to translate like that. Maybe you could print some papers with the dialogues, and start to translate to chinese and just type in the notepad on library computer, OR, you could use skydrive and google docs you can translate in the cloud without having to take an hd with you. good luck!

[Cata Bridge]

Автор сообщения: Snake

I readed your profile, so you only can enter on steam on the library? Its gonna be a tough job to translate like that. Maybe you could print some papers with the dialogues, and start to translate to chinese and just type in the notepad on library computer, OR, you could use skydrive and google docs you can translate in the cloud without having to take an hd with you. good luck!

Haha, That's a misunderstanding.The truth is that there's a rule of my college that "Students shouldn't bring their own computer to school in their first semester" So after 15 January 2016, I’ll have plenty of time to use my personal computer :)
Anyway, thanks for your courage

BTW, Mr Snake. Do you mind become my first foreign friend?
(It seems that I might become your first foreign online firend too)
BTW2, this message was supposed to be sent to you 3 hours ago but Steam Community was down.
it's funny that you can check if steam is down at issteamdown.com. And you can check if issteamdown.com is down at isissteamdowndown.com.
Can't stop laughing

[Leonardo]

Автор сообщения: catabridge

Автор сообщения: Snake

I readed your profile, so you only can enter on steam on the library? Its gonna be a tough job to translate like that. Maybe you could print some papers with the dialogues, and start to translate to chinese and just type in the notepad on library computer, OR, you could use skydrive and google docs you can translate in the cloud without having to take an hd with you. good luck!

Haha, That's a misunderstanding.The truth is that there's a rule of my college that "Students shouldn't bring their own computer to school in their first semester" So after 15 January 2016, I’ll have plenty of time to use my personal computer :)
Anyway, thanks for your courage

BTW, Mr Snake. Do you mind become my first foreign friend?
(It seems that I might become your first foreign online firend too)
BTW2, this message was supposed to be sent to you 3 hours ago but Steam Community was down.
it's funny that you can check if steam is down at issteamdown.com. And you can check if issteamdown.com is down at isissteamdowndown.com.
Can't stop laughing

I never heard about a rule like that. Its kind makes sense because the absense of internet amd distractions will help the students to focus on the classes, and thats important at the beginning of university. Yeah, sure! No, i have some foreign friends hehe. But i guess you are the first that is Chinese!

[Ryan_ML]

I find a lot of people newer to the series (started with the Crystal Dynamics-designed games) have no tolerance for the old Core-designed games (TR1-6). Basically, I see the opposite of what you are.

I started with Tomb Raider II many years ago.

I'd personally rank the series:
TRII > TR: Anniversary > TR(2013) > TR: Legend > TRIV > TRIII >TRV > TR: Underworld > TR: AoD

[Space Coward]

Not bad, just different.

I do think it's a bit silly that we've had a reboot followed by a reboot OF a reboot, especially since both were by the same developers, but whatever.

[Leonardo]

Автор сообщения: Ryan_ML

I find a lot of people newer to the series (started with the Crystal Dynamics-designed games) have no tolerance for the old Core-designed games (TR1-6). Basically, I see the opposite of what you are.

I started with Tomb Raider II many years ago.

I'd personally rank the series:
TRII > TR: Anniversary > TR(2013) > TR: Legend > TRIV > TRIII >TRV > TR: Underworld > TR: AoD

the old gameplay from the first six games are too bad. You have to extremely precise all the time. you make mistakes and dies because of the bad camera that prevails in Lara ass. I just dont like that, cause its hard to see where im going.

[Space Coward]

Автор сообщения: ekanS

Автор сообщения: Ryan_ML

I find a lot of people newer to the series (started with the Crystal Dynamics-designed games) have no tolerance for the old Core-designed games (TR1-6). Basically, I see the opposite of what you are.

I started with Tomb Raider II many years ago.

I'd personally rank the series:
TRII > TR: Anniversary > TR(2013) > TR: Legend > TRIV > TRIII >TRV > TR: Underworld > TR: AoD

the old gameplay from the first six games are too bad. You have to extremely precise all the time. you make mistakes and dies because of the bad camera that prevails in Lara ass. I just dont like that, cause its hard to see where im going.

It takes some getting used to, but it's not too bad once you do.

The camera's awful, though, I agree. I realize I'm part of a minority by liking Tomb Raider for gameplay, but come on, nobody needs that much triangle boob in their face.

[Leonardo]

Автор сообщения: Kill-Cam Celebrity

Автор сообщения: ekanS

the old gameplay from the first six games are too bad. You have to extremely precise all the time. you make mistakes and dies because of the bad camera that prevails in Lara ass. I just dont like that, cause its hard to see where im going.

It takes some getting used to, but it's not too bad once you do.

The camera's awful, though, I agree. I realize I'm part of a minority by liking Tomb Raider for gameplay, but come on, nobody needs that much triangle boob in their face.

i mean the a.ss not the boobs. I like the old Tomb Raider for locations. I wish i could play TR3 without dying all the time to see all the countries in the game. Its my favorite old one but i cant advance too much because of that bad camera. i wish there was a mod for the pc versions that fix the gameplay or the camera.

[Carystus]

I just got TR IV again from PS store lol! I lived for that game! It was so epic on levels and size, it basically never ended. But going back is so tough! You have such a basic movement like moving a stubborn chess piece!! But still amazing to go back to where it all began for me. I did play TR III but only on demo but it did blow me away enough to get IV as soon as it came out. You never loose that part of your youth. I remember it like yesterday. Thats my main love for the older ones. Even Chronicles was big. I have that from PS store too. Creepy little baby monsters making crazy eere noises lmao! Bless Lara and all who follow her rugged, off the beaten track path.

[Random Rogue]

Honestly, I never liked the TR (L, A and U). To me it feels like Lara Croft had 0 personality and little to no character development. I know they tried to give her personality but at the end of the day she is nothing more than a mannequin to me. The only enjoyment I found was just committing suicide because if always felt really funny to me. I do apologize if my comment has offended any hardcore Tomb Raider fan.

[JAGIELSKI]

That's okay. You're entitled to your opinion just as I am entitled to mine that it's the reboot that's sucks (TR and Rise of TR). Why? Little to no puzzles, many shootings. It's like they've tried to make Uncharted, but with female.

For me, TR was always about puzzles and here where's games mentioned in the title really shine. Older TR games suffered from stiff control issues which made it hard to actually get where you wanted to even if you knew solution to the puzzle, but Legend, Anniversary and Underworld had hit a sweet spot with both good controls and nice puzzles. Sure, there are few shootings here and there but not to the point it makes it third person shooter, like they did with reboots.

[Leonardo]

Автор сообщения: Thief

Honestly, I never liked the TR (L, A and U). To me it feels like Lara Croft had 0 personality and little to no character development. I know they tried to give her personality but at the end of the day she is nothing more than a mannequin to me. The only enjoyment I found was just committing suicide because if always felt really funny to me. I do apologize if my comment has offended any hardcore Tomb Raider fan.

Did you dislike only the first reboot trilogy? She was just a girl in legends at least, looking for her mother, and she was a boss of her crew that lived in the mansion. There was some background about her past, but in the end, shes just a cliche caracters in the old games. At least she past in the Bechdel test, thats very good. sorry for bad english.

[Space Coward]

Автор сообщения: Darkhog

That's okay. You're entitled to your opinion just as I am entitled to mine that it's the reboot that's sucks (TR and Rise of TR). Why? Little to no puzzles, many shootings. It's like they've tried to make Uncharted, but with female.

For me, TR was always about puzzles and here where's games mentioned in the title really shine. Older TR games suffered from stiff control issues which made it hard to actually get where you wanted to even if you knew solution to the puzzle, but Legend, Anniversary and Underworld had hit a sweet spot with both good controls and nice puzzles. Sure, there are few shootings here and there but not to the point it makes it third person shooter, like they did with reboots.

I also feel that the middle trilogy is the weakest, because while the originals were trailblazers and can be forgiven for some control issues, said tank controls at least make sense. The controls of TR:L feel all over the place and unreliable, even on a controller, and many of the physics puzzles have some trial and error involving whether Box A is at point A or just a little too far to the left.

Also, I'd compare the new ones to Rogue Trooper if anything, which might explain why I thought it was the best thing ever :\

[JAGIELSKI]

You misunderstood my post. I actually like Legend/Underworld/Anniversary the most.

[Random Rogue]

Автор сообщения: SourPls

Автор сообщения: Thief

Honestly, I never liked the TR (L, A and U). To me it feels like Lara Croft had 0 personality and little to no character development. I know they tried to give her personality but at the end of the day she is nothing more than a mannequin to me. The only enjoyment I found was just committing suicide because if always felt really funny to me. I do apologize if my comment has offended any hardcore Tomb Raider fan.

Did you dislike only the first reboot trilogy? She was just a girl in legends at least, looking for her mother, and she was a boss of her crew that lived in the mansion. There was some background about her past, but in the end, shes just a cliche caracters in the old games. At least she past in the Bechdel test, thats very good. sorry for bad english.

Yeah just Legend, Anniversary and Underworld I have nothing against the new reboot or the original ps1 classics heck I've actually downloaded them for PC and started playing them, they are very interesting.

I guess if I had to nitpick anything other than Lara in Legends, 1/3 of Anniversary and Underworld it would be the level designs and I don't mean the puzzles I mean the idea of semi-backtracking - there are too many parts where you need to you're going through the level and you need to go a separate path where you waste from 5 to 10 minutes to get an item or pull a switch just so you could get back to the main path of the level and then end of the level turned out to be just a couple of meters away from the level's starting point. ( Tomb Raider Legend examples are : Ghana ( West Africa ) and England - both the levels that witch the boring motorcycle segments just ruined the entire level; Tomb Raider Anniversary: Temple of Midas and the Obelistk of Khamoon; Tomb Raider Underworld: almost all the levels do that ) this semi-backtrack design honestly doesn't make me feel good for completing or "100%ting" a level it makes me feel like I've not made any progress or achieved anything rather than take a few steps forwards and done. Again I'd like to apologize for ranting like some snob who has nothing better to do with his life.