Demon Knight - Worse Class in the game, or situational?

[lastofthelight]

So, I've noticed that with the Demon Knight special class, Anadine almost always takes more damage then she dishes out. Is this because I didn't power level/grind her with enough offensive power first, or a general thing?

So far, the class seems to be worse then just if I'd left her as a mercenary or a knight. Its terrible! Even if she was only taking 'as much' damage as the enemies, or a fraction (and right now, she's usually but not always taking more) - unless it was some small amount, I can't see it ever being useful. Essentially I'd have to have a healer do nothing but heal her every round. Its just not worth it.

Right now my Anadine is a Demon Knight/Knight, attack of 180. I'm just past the second temple.

[Conan The Librarian]

Demon Knight hits like a truck, gets tons of extra actions with [Cleave], always much higher level than my other units.

Not sure why you're experiencing issues.

Edit:

After thinking about it for a little bit, perhaps this could help: Have you tried using [Life Font] on Anadine? Not only will this help her stay alive quite easily, but will fuel those self-damaging moves from the Demon Knight class.

[kalanyr]

Demon Knight is the best physical attacking class available to females by leagues.

It definitely gets better as you pick up Cleave / Corrupted Blade but Enraged Blow is a good bread and butter move and Demonic Might should not be underestimated. Also because the moves hurt you, attacking the enemy from the side and back is something you should focus on (the more damage you do , the less the cost is proportionally for each attack)

And yeah you need to spend a few levels in it because one of it's strength is it's high HP and ATK growth.

Try and keep some healing support handy though, I try and keep a Peddler with Riftwalkers and Throwing/Multi Gloves around.

[BlackDragon]

As Conan the Librarian said, Life Font is VITAL for keeping a Demon Knight healthy. Combined with Cleave, it becomes EXTRA potent, since you get an extra move which translates into an extra lump of restored HP. Add in Demonic Might, which gives you Renew on top of a nice ATK-buff, and the fact that all her self-damaging moves do damage as a percentage of CURRENT hp, not MAX hp - making them actually 'cheaper' to use if she's already taken some damage - and things start to get a lot easier.

But, yes, a high basic attack does help. But if you've mainly taken her from Mercenary to Knight, that shouldn't be a problem, really. Just give her a chance to learn a few Demon Knight moves, and keep Life Font on her at all times - she'll soon turn into a deadly powerhouse!

[Fendelphi]

I have her set up as a Demon Knight/Templar(with Life Font and either No Flank or Fortitude as optional passives). She is ultra aggressive 90% of the time, due to the high damage output of her abilities(give her your best Scythe), able to deal massive physical(Enraged Blow)-, dark(Corrupted Blade)- and holy(Righteous Blade) damage to single targets. And she got decent physical, dark and holy AoE abilities as well.

Add in her powerful selfbuff(Demonic Might) and the ability to remove buffs on enemies(Cleansing Blade) and she is able to deal with most situations, with a little overwatch from the rest of your party.

[DeNarr]

Anadine often ends up my character with the most kills. Start battle with Demonic Might. Then just walk around with Enraged Blow + Cleave, and clean up enemies.

[madcatwildcat]

I put on her, health and know weakness. She is there to clean up things. someone else can heal.her. If someone loves to use things like weakness on her, Fort on her then.

[lPaladinl]

The best defense is a good offense. Anadine is an offensive powerhouse with Demon Knight.

[Soul4hdwn]

it also helps to have her level purely in it... although that makes her magic defense and speed extra low...

[Fendelphi]

Originally posted by Soul4hdwn:

it also helps to have her level purely in it... although that makes her magic defense and speed extra low...

Speed is not that important to her, since she can often(roughly 50% of the time) get 2 actions per turn(1 for finishing off an enemy, the other to whack another).

If need be, give her a few levels as an Assassin or Gadgeteer. It helps even her stats out a little(in particular RES and speed), without neglecting health or Attack too much.

1 level in Assassin = 2.2 levels in Demon Knight in terms of speed gain, while you only need 1.4 level of Assassin to equal 1 level of DK in terms of Attack gain.
Or said in another way. 3 levels of DK gives you 18 ATK and 2 SPD. 2 Levels of KD+1 lvl of Assassin gives you 16.25 ATK and 2.8 SPD. Scale to 30 levels(the above x10) and we get 180 ATK and 20 SPD gain vs 162 ATK and 28 SPD gain.
The first version will deal roughly 11% more damage, but the other will get it's turn about 40% more often. It will also empower Haste more, due to a bigger base value.


Or just compensate with the rest of the party. She can focus on 1 shots(going for as much attack as possible, ie pure DK) and then have others do their thing, as well as giving her the occasional heal if need be.

[lastofthelight]

Conan's advice solved the problem, thanks everyone!

[Jo]

You say her attack is low and then you talk about knight and mercenary. How about leveling her a bit in Reaver and Duelist (classes with higher physical attack growth). The new samurai class has an above average attack growth (4.8) and grant you a passive that can make your attacks range 4 for 6 mana (Razor Wind). Given the low consumption in mana of Demonic Knight skills, could be interesting.

At some point I had a reaver templar with razor wind passive and boy, those holy blade with 4 range are a much convenient finisher. Could imagine this working well with Demon Knight skills as well.

Personally not a fan of life font. It quickly becomes negligible as your health pool becomes bigger. Also the skills takes a fraction of your current HP, not the max. So the lower your life already is, the lower the HP cost. Critical Rebirth works well then, or a phoenix ring. You can go ham with a free card out of tomb.

Duellist has a passive leeching life. Could use that with cleave. Or dual wield the craftable blood axes that leech life already. So many possibilities is why this game is so great.