Was Deus ex Invisible war really that bad?

[jose.gonzales.2006]

Since im just close to finishing the first Deus ex because i got into it just a while ago i cant tell for myself. But some people even the ones who really loved the first game said it was a disappointment. I see its different and to be honest at first glance it deesnt even look like Deus ex game. Tell me what you think.

[Cat with the Gat]

Deus Ex Invisible War was incredibly dumbed down, and as Deus Ex game (especially trying to measure up to the masterpiece that is the first)? It doesn't even COMPARE (Although to be fair. ANY attempt at a sequel was gonna have a hard time trying to outdo the first). However if you look at it as it's own seperate entity, it's a very decent game. Not the best, but pretty decent.

Personally, IW ranks above the likes of Human Revolution and Mankind Divided for me, and i thoroughly enjoyed every minute of all my playthroughs of it. As long as you can look past the strange loading (Which needs to go through a SEPERATE loading exe. What???) and the dumbed down RPG mechanics (No more grid inventory, no skill points, and the augs), then i'd say you can have a pretty decent time with it too.

[jose.gonzales.2006]

Originally posted by V:

Deus Ex Invisible War was incredibly dumbed down, and as Deus Ex game (especially trying to measure up to the masterpiece that is the first)? It doesn't even COMPARE (Although to be fair. ANY attempt at a sequel was gonna have a hard time trying to outdo the first). However if you look at it as it's own seperate entity, it's a very decent game. Not the best, but pretty decent.

Personally, IW ranks above the likes of Human Revolution and Mankind Divided for me, and i thoroughly enjoyed every minute of all my playthroughs of it. As long as you can look past the strange loading (Which needs to go through a SEPERATE loading exe. What???) and the dumbed down RPG mechanics (No more grid inventory, no skill points, and the augs), then i'd say you can have a pretty decent time with it too.

Yeah i get you but they could just reskin the first game and add few gimmicks for extra variety. CoD and other games do it for years and it seems like no one is bothered by it. Im not angry at all at Ion but im just upset we dont have more of the first game.
One would say
What a shame.

[ccostigan]

DXIW (also called the purple game) went places few games do: the masquerade stays broken, and the status quo is NOT restored or retconned. The world knows about the Illuminati, echelon, god AIs, transgenics, and nanoviruses.

IW starts with that assumption: a world where this is common knowledge (called a Lifted
Veil scenario in SCP) would be unrecognizable from our own, especially twenty years later. IW makes this neo-DX world brilliantly. You can buy black market augs from a hivemind, there is a racewar between normal people and augs, and all Seattle has an upper, more advanced city on top of the first. This game was made 8 years before Human Revolution, by the way.

One problem, though: THE GAME DESIGN SUCKS. IW was made for an original Xbox, meaning it had to be small and stupid. No skills, one ammo type, only 10 different aug canisters, and the maps are smaller than Todd Howard's honesty.

All in all, it is a bad game, but a great piece of speculative fiction.

[Vassago Rain]

Yes, it's absolute garbage. It's always been absolute garbage. Even the fall is a better, more competent game than invisible war, but that's not saying much.

[Cat with the Gat]

"More complete game" you say? Referring to the Fall? You do realize the fall ends on a cliffhanger/part 1 right? At least IW has a legitimate ending.

[Tapasvi]

I never considered DX:IW a fail. Totally worth the time and money.
Yes, first Deus is better, but that's not a surprise, because it's better than most of the games.

[ULTRA]

Originally posted by Fu2s:

Since im just close to finishing the first Deus ex because i got into it just a while ago i cant tell for myself. But some people even the ones who really loved the first game said it was a disappointment. I see its different and to be honest at first glance it deesnt even look like Deus ex game. Tell me what you think.

Yes it was terrible

It was terribly optimized

The characters were dorks

Game mechanics dumbed down

Weird slap-together plot of the three endings from DX 1

The only good thing to say about it is that the quality of writing overall was as close to DX 1 as we will ever likely get

[smanj440]

Originally posted by Profile:

I never considered DX:IW a fail. Totally worth the time and money.
Yes, first Deus is better, but that's not a surprise, because it's better than most of the games.

Agree

[MUSIC LASAGNA GAMER]

surely the only good deus ex

[Fosty]

It's okay.

[Misterdarko1987]

Was it a bad game? No. No worse then most quasi-shooters of the day. Gunplay and combat in general is pretty decent.

Was it a bad Deus Ex game? Yes. Mostly because of the very constrained levels (period consoles were stingy on RAM, so they had to make levels small and claustrophobic). If they made it PC first, then for consoles, it would've probably been a better experience. Dumbing-down on skills wasn't that important (they did the same for HR and MD, and they work fine).

Did it meaningfully add to Deus Ex lore? So-so. You get a few sensible conclusions to several character arcs from earlier games. Story-wise, I'd put it above Mankind Divided, actually. If only because it actually HAS an ending.

[-={LG}=-]

Originally posted by jose.gonzales.2006:

Since im just close to finishing the first Deus ex because i got into it just a while ago i cant tell for myself.

Invisible War did well when it was released, was a commercial success and won a lot of awards. It has become fashionable to bad mouth it due to a loud but small faction of ultra-purists.

It's a good game, and I've played it for hundreds of hours. I find it considerably superior to Mankind Divided as an overall game, taking into consideration of course it doesn't have the excellent graphics of a modern game.

Mankind Divided has no classical Deus Ex ending, and it diverged from the game-centric conspiracy themes of the first three games so it could rub some boring and tedious partisan social politics into our faces.

[MUSIC LASAGNA GAMER]

deus ex invisible war is objectively the only good deus ex game,despite its limits and flaws

[Misterdarko1987]

Originally posted by MUSIC LASAGNA GAMER:

deus ex invisible war is objectively the only good deus ex game,despite its limits and flaws

I don't think you understand what 'objectively' means.

[MUSIC LASAGNA GAMER]

I am objectivity