Tavern mechanic is very badly done...change it please!

[SciPio]

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[Minotorious]

Could you elaborate on what exactly the issue you are having is?

The tavern basically needs 2 components (subbuildings) to function:
1. Service counter that acts like a market for alcohol
2. Public lounge with enough space for your villagers with an entertainment need

In addition you need production of alcohol, that can be:
1. Berry brewery as a subbuilding in the same tavern monument
2. Beer brewery
3. Wine from a monastery

[SciPio]

Have all of that x 3 around my 600 ppl city....they are buying alcohol (berries and beer) bit no one is entering public lounge...my tavern food is maxed out

[Minotorious]

Could you share the save file to check on it further? You can do so via googleDrive/oneDrive/weTransfer/etc. link here or on discord ( discord.gg/foundation )

Where do I find my save games?
You can find your save games here:

• Non-Cloud saves
%USERPROFILE%\Documents\Polymorph Games\Foundation\Save Game

• Steam Cloud local repository
\Program Files (x86)\Steam\userdata\ YourSteamID \690830\remote\Foundation\Save Game

...Where YourSteamID is your unique Steam ID number

[lembos-hauser]

Originally posted by SciPio:

Have all of that x 3 around my 600 ppl city....they are buying alcohol (berries and beer) bit no one is entering public lounge...my tavern food is maxed out

I am not sure, but is there a possibility that you dont have citizens?

[ExavierMacbeth]

Visitors (Inn Lounge) will drink your Beer/Wine/Brew if they have a needs requirement for it (though I think they do pay for it)

The only people that will use the Tavern Meals & Public Lounge are your own Commoner & Citizen Residents. Serfs don't care about "Entertainment" and so will not visit the Tavern at all.

[Ninjafroggie]

also, people do NOT stay in the tavern for long, they get in, spend a second to fill the need, and then F off. It's not like the church that shows weekly visitors, it's only showing who is in there RIGHT NOW. That means that even if you do have some promoted villagers that need drink/entertainment, at any given time few if any will actually be using it. I have a city with over 600 total population going, about half of which are promoted in some form, and still at any given time im likely to find only 3-5 people in there if any.

What really drove me mental was the contstant lack of entertainment warnings i was seeing even though the tavern was never full or out of booze. That was until I followed someone with unfulfilled entertainment and proceeded to watch the ENTIRE castle garrison, all 10 companies, try to go to the bar together, and of course they couldnt all fit. So i clipped more halls inside to make it hold 200 people and now i have no issues

[Punkass Beach]

Is there a big advantage of the brewery over the berry brewery?
it has 14 upkeep and 1 workerslot.
The berrybrewery is easy to expand and maintenance is much lower 4 gold for 2 worker slots.
So basically there is no good need to have a normal brewery, just berry juice.

[ExavierMacbeth]

Originally posted by Punkass Beach:

Is there a big advantage of the brewery over the berry brewery?
it has 14 upkeep and 1 workerslot.
The berrybrewery is easy to expand and maintenance is much lower 4 gold for 2 worker slots.
So basically there is no good need to have a normal brewery, just berry juice.

Yea but your paying a cost in needing more Berries... Not normally something you would worry about unless your playing an Aspiration that blocks Monasteries or a map that has very little water/fish. If your serfs need to eat the berries than its a less useful option.

The Beer technically only needs two workers to keep it going (1 for the brewer, 1 for the very small hops farm it needs). So its fairly easy to set up as either a backup supply or as an export product even if the maintenance for it is higher.

Wine is the painful one in my opinion because it requires not only a Monastery only product but also eats your planks & iron to make the Barrels. Of course wine is also used for Montastic Meals for higher level monks, so it has extra uses.

EDIT: Also note... Visitors to your Inn Lodging will also drink your "Entertainment" brews if they are available so having multiple options can also help your stocks from being overwhelmed.