Light fortification not upgradeable to heavy?

[Vendetta]

Am I blind or something? Is it really not possible to just upgrade a light fortification to a heavy one? How do you guys upgrade to heavy later on? If I have to get rid of the light one first all my medium density houses try to downgrade. Its stupid to stock all the ressources and employ 30 builders dedicated just to upgrade from light to heavy. I hope I am missing smthing and you guys can explain.

thx

[Ninjafroggie]

No, you arent missing anything. Please, tell me how you would go about replacing a wall made from wooden logs with one made of stone WITHOUT first removing the old wall?

Theres only 1 way...build the new wall AROUND the old one, then remove the old one.

[Vendetta]

i have no problem if the game takes away the old one and replaced it with the new one. Thats not my issue. My issue is that it should keep the bonus for the houses and I want to upgrade it from the menu and not destroy it and rebuild it. The would do "delete one section" and then "rebuild this section first" then the next one. And so with time all the walls will be replaced. But it doesnt work that way unfortunately. What a shame!

[Ninjafroggie]

life doesnt work like that either. You either have to build a new wall past the old wall before tearing down the old one, or you need to deal with the fact that knocking a big ol' hole in your wall to replace with a new one means that it isnt very secure anymore. I dont understand why youre having a hard time with this. I mean, it's not like failure to plan civic projects and city development in advance has ever posed a problem IRL right? (/s)

[Tormunda]

I agree with the original poster. The game is a mess like this.
As for Ninjafroggie.... This is a GAME not real life.

[Cozy Fawn]

Originally posted by Ninjafroggie:

No, you arent missing anything. Please, tell me how you would go about replacing a wall made from wooden logs with one made of stone WITHOUT first removing the old wall?

Theres only 1 way...build the new wall AROUND the old one, then remove the old one.

MOST games just removes the part of the wall/building they are upgrading tearing down the wood and replacing it with stone as they go in the same footprint.

[Overmind29]

Honestly this is one of the most tedious things there are in the game right now. I mean, I love the game, and there are workarounds for things like this, but being able to upgrade from wood to stone walls should be a thing. Might be little tricky with gates being different size, but people can deal with manually replacing gates, the actual problem is the wall itself.

Right now the easiest way is to clip new wall into the old, and when the new one is done, delete the old one.

[Vendetta]

Originally posted by Overmind29:

Honestly this is one of the most tedious things there are in the game right now. I mean, I love the game, and there are workarounds for things like this, but being able to upgrade from wood to stone walls should be a thing. Might be little tricky with gates being different size, but people can deal with manually replacing gates, the actual problem is the wall itself.

Right now the easiest way is to clip new wall into the old, and when the new one is done, delete the old one.

Thx for the tip. Directed to the devs: This is ridiculous!

[Nounours]

I agree, this is a complete mess to upgrade wall.

[City Builder]

I'm pretty sure somebody wrote on the forums the dev is working on this, but sadly at the moment, either build around it or wait until heavy is available then build heavy and skip light other than small spots where you can put up towers to cover a little anyway.

[EricCartman]

My simple way is to use only light fortification - I don't like the look of the high density houses. I always build the wall around the whole area (usually it takes around 1600 wood and a half century to build) so I won't have any problems with the position of the wall later...

[damianw8]

Adding my 2c here - Most other games that have technology upgrades allow for an upgrade path and it is a great QoL feature. Upgrading the churches to stone is the same thing. Houses get upgraded like this automatically. Should be possible with walls, keeps, churches, etc. And yes, it is a game. Games should be fun, not 'realistic' you masochists out there.

[Cunabula]

If you knock down a village tower and put up a city tower as long as you have the materials and builders nearby it'll be completed before the buildings downgrade. You can also replace walls in sections.

[Engioc]

Too many people here that have been fed the dumbed down rubbish of RTS games where everything is just a simple button to upgrade. I never liked it, and I'd rather Foundation remain as it is now. You can easily replace the walls, demolish, put the new wall around it and hit build. As others point out the building of the wall is often done before houses start to downgrade so its not an issue.

[City Builder]

For the way you may build it sounds like it works for you.

For me it would not. I had to tare down a small 2 inch piece of wall to add a gate and it used 3/4 of the downgrade timer. Had I wanted to build the whole wall after tearing down the existing wall all houses would have devolved. I don't play like you, so your way is not a one way works for all.

Once the dev adds in this one button wonder if you don't like it you need not use it, go ahead and continue to tear down your wall to replace it in a rush against the clock and enjoy and I'm glad it works for you but it will not work if the walls length is of a substantial size. I don't know how long it took my builders to originally build my walls but it had to be between 10 and 20 minutes of only building the walls and gates with nothing else on order to be built in the town and it was way past the devolving count down timer. So all my homes would be primordial ooze by the time they finished

[Ryu.82]

Upgrading walls is already possible and not a big problem.

The walls with heavy fortification also count as light fortification if linked with the old wall, so you can just edit a part of the wall, wait until it is finished, then upgrade the next part. If you give the wall priority when building it, as long as you have enough materials and builders, it finishes before the houses lose their protection so they don´t downgrade.

If houses start downgrading because of the replacement of a wall then it is simply a mistake on the players side. Made that mistake myself. Multiple times. Happens.

I mean, sure, it would be nice if you could just click on an upgrade button for a part of the wall instead of having to delete and then build a new wall, would save a few clicks, but it wouldn´t change a thing for houses, because the wall would still need to be rebuild and they would lose the fortification until the wallparts are finished.