Dirt Rally 2.0 is it a Sim, Arcade, or Simcade?

[Chenni]

Above question. =)

Is it a simcade like Forza, Gran Turismo, F1 series (i.e. F1 2021)?
Sim like AC, ACC, iRacing, Automobilista?
Or straight out arcade game?

[turtleCZ]

Probably simcade with rather sim feeling.

[AKCIJANJE]

it is mostly a sim, but you can adjust settings to be like an arcade

[thaz]

Originally posted by Johnny Sins:

it is mostly a sim, but you can adjust settings to be like an arcade

Now hold on, sir, you'll need to teach me that adjustement LOL.

- Its mostly a rally sim, not very hardcore like irc or acc.
you'll be fine with a controller or kb even.

[Ochso]

Sim ----- SimCade -----Arcade
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ie Closer to the 'sim' bit of simcade.

Console ports very rarely ( if ever) achieve a sim status.

(Sigh no doubt Ill have to edit this to get the formatting right)
Edit told you so

[karik_FIN_134]

In some ways this game is also harder than real life or simulator/simcade or arcade games.

-imo asphalt physics makes drifting (almost) impossible when using high degrees of rotation (compared to AC, lfs etc), I'm not even a good drifter but I have/had more control in Assetto Corsa when drifting BMW e30 M3 with 900-1080degrees. I tried drifting with that BMW on dirtfish yard asphalt surface so not sure if stuff is fully comparable but holding an bigger drift angle is very difficult if not impossible, gravel surfaces are more forgiving and u have extra bit of time to control slides better.
Maybe someone with more drifting experience can verify this or disagrees with me.

- collision physics to wooden corner marker sticks (about 1 inch thick) in all locations and plastic poles(reflective) in Australia affecting cars too much at low speeds(below 65km/h 40mph) and even at higher speeds (like 160km/h 100mph). I quite sure irl rally cars wouldn't take any bigger damage hitting these or they wouldn't rotate cars, but in game stick+poles affect the direction of the (some) cars heading way too much when hitting them.
If developer made them behave like that on purpose to prevent cutting etc then there are better ways to do it, for example in real life Rally Finland they use smaller cylinder concrete blocks wrapped in orange plastic+steel bar though the block to hold it in place on the roadside in corners, those will damage car or cause puncture if being hit and drivers have them in pacenotes.

- car tuning is also more difficult because of some of the changes are too big and would definitely need more steps. For me worst is brake balance adjustment which in many cars is like this 58% -> 66% -> 74%, like how can u fine tune balance with these steps. At least more modern cars like 2000cc, R5 (maybe more) are missing on the fly brake balance adjustment (well wouldn't make much difference with that kind 58-66-74 steps anyways), and then some 2000cc cars have active center diff which should allow on-the-fly changes to it, R-GT cars should also have driver adjustable traction control on-the-fly (well u can sort of do it in menu, but requires pausing the driving).
Also actual ground clearance of the car isn't mentioned after tuning changes, u just have ride height adjustment with random numbers(going 20mm up, 20mm down) but which doesn't display full ground clearance anywhere.
Then stuff like: - torque map of the car / - total suspension travel on gravel+snow, asphalt (varies from maybe 100mm up to 300mm on gravel+snow depending on age/specs of the car) / - wheelbase measure of the car / - weight distribution (between front and rear axles ) of the car would be nice to know but no info about these either.

[Johnny[HUN]]

i guess nobody have the balls to say any racing game "its a sim". Which is probably right, because you can never simulate real life stuff with a controller, or even with a plastic steering wheel sitting steady in an arm chair... But you can compare games: Dirt 1-2-3-4 etc... feels like the car is running on a track like a train -> wrc 8-9-10 a bit more challenging but still very unreal with a controller because you cant even go straight at high speed on asphalt (didnt try with wheel) --> dirt rally: even more challenging but I never driven a rally car so I cant say 100% what its like compared to irl, also seems responsive with a wheel.

oh, and quit saying Richard Burns Rally is a sim, its not ! Its only way tooooo hard, unrealisticly hard, anybody who has driven a car real life can prove that no car ever is that slippery like in RBR, and I am not driving evos and imprezas -_-

[John Webfishing]

its a first person shooter

[Simon said EAT DUST PLAYER_1 !]

real-world driving-technique gets you around the stages in one piece. Therefore: it has some simulation-value. Does not mean it is indistinguishable from the real deal. Does come significantly closer though when compared to it's own predecessor ("Dirt Rally" from 2015, not Dirt 1,2,3,4,5). As I said: real-world technique (inputs) gets you mostly-acurate-ish results.
FFB is a bit of a mess when just using out-of-the-box settings. Needs to be adjusted to your specific wheel, preferences and driving-conditions / locations here and there - just to achieve "passable" feel.

I like dirt (as a surface) in this game. Also: studless snow-tyres in Monaco now behave somewhat like actual studless snow-tyres (less grip on ice than on compacted snow). Asphalt-realism leaves more room for improvement. General user-interface and presentation are wishi-washy, dumbed-down and in some places incoherently incomprehensive. "My Team" mode uses server-side profiles and somewhat broken local status-caching which more often than not makes you lose progression and repeat stages that you just finished. Avoid if you value your time. Use the other single-player modes for actual, reliable single-player experience.

"club-races" still depend on servers being accessible, but they don't cache results and break progression through mis-matching / misbehaving syncronisation issues. At least as long as servers don't go down during your time running through a stage (results are uploaded only after your run is completed and you move on to either the next stage or the main-screen).

ps.: RBR-vanilla was made for PS2 and 240..270° wheels + "digital" (buttons-only) controllers. And in that context it was the most-"realistic" multi-platform title back in 2004. Certain modders beat the remains into submission and made it into what it became long after the original developer went out of business (which happened pretty soon after the game launched). If people mention RBR as being their sim of choice even today, the question to ask them becomes: which mod of it?

[SaxonRaider]

F1 is more towards sim than Forza and GranTurismo imho, (GT doesnt even have any damage, and Forza you can drive through brick walls with practically no speed loss.) and DR2 would firmly sit same sort of F1 level. between simcade and sim. The thing with DR2 not reaching full sim for me, is the cars are too grippy and the damage modelling which is very important in rally isnt as severe as it should be. should be able to lose individual gears for example, and car should be wrecked a lot easier. I understand most people wouldnt like it too realistic to make it more playable, but i feel there should be an option. other than that i think it deserves to be in same bracket as ACC etc...

[usefulidiot21]

Originally posted by Simon said EAT DUST PLAYER_1 !:

If people mention RBR as being their sim of choice even today, the question to ask them becomes: which mod of it?

Any one with NGP6, of course. That's the only way to play online in that game anymore. And there are a couple of really easy ways to download, install and get going in that game.

[Simon said EAT DUST PLAYER_1 !]

Originally posted by usefulidiot21:

Originally posted by Simon said EAT DUST PLAYER_1 !:

If people mention RBR as being their sim of choice even today, the question to ask them becomes: which mod of it?

Any one with NGP6, of course. That's the only way to play online in that game anymore. And there are a couple of really easy ways to download, install and get going in that game.

Thanks for the heads-up. I still catch myself stealing a look or two whenever I walk by my most prized games&movies cabinet with that original DVD of RBR inside. Yes, I was playing it I believe in April of 2004 iirc. Blew the then-current CMR out of the water even in vanilla form!

[turtleCZ]

Yeah, good old times. :D I had RBR day 1 because previews were amazing. And the game was great for sure, my first serious rally game.

[usefulidiot21]

Originally posted by Simon said EAT DUST PLAYER_1 !:

Originally posted by usefulidiot21:

Any one with NGP6, of course. That's the only way to play online in that game anymore. And there are a couple of really easy ways to download, install and get going in that game.

Thanks for the heads-up. I still catch myself stealing a look or two whenever I walk by my most prized games&movies cabinet with that original DVD of RBR inside. Yes, I was playing it I believe in April of 2004 iirc. Blew the then-current CMR out of the water even in vanilla form!

I tried in back in 2010, but I didn't have a wheel so I gave up on it. I got a wheel and built a PC mainly to get back into it about a year and a half ago. And it's still by far my favorite game today.

[Werner]

Its a sim. and since when is f1 simcade?

[turtleCZ]

Originally posted by Werner:

Its a sim. and since when is f1 simcade?

It's not complete arcade and it simulates many things in a car.