DiRT Rally 2.0

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Pringles Oct 10, 2023 @ 12:45am
Best handling rear wheel drive car?
I want to drive rwd but some of the cars I drove are just uncotrolloable like the Subaru Impreza and Ford Sierra anyone have idea for good rwd beginner car?
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Paradox1126 Oct 10, 2023 @ 1:36am 
Porsche 911 RGT :)
Mjarr Oct 10, 2023 @ 2:59am 
Both of the cars you mentioned are 4WD cars. But in terms of car classes and some arbitrary beginner friendlyness:
-Fiat Abarth in H2 RWD is pretty good to get started. Opel Kadett isn't too bad either though it has bit of an odd under-oversteer cycle to it (IMO).
-Opel Ascona in H3 RWD has minor quirks to it but overall handling is quite consistent since it is bit of an oddball that understeers relatively speaking quite a bit for an RWD. If you prefer bit more "boatlike" tendencies H3 RWD Ford handles pretty smooth, but it has turbo so you have to deal with some turbolag and minor throttle shenanigans.
-Opel Manta in Group B RWD (compared to the other cars in the group).

Late edit: Mind you can always go free play -> free roam and try whatever car you want as well, do couple of laps around the place and judge how they feel for yourself.
Last edited by Mjarr; Oct 10, 2023 @ 3:10am
karik_FIN_134 Oct 10, 2023 @ 3:05am 
Subarus in game are not rwd, all 4wd
Ford Sierra is a rwd but it has urbo lag which can cause some diffculties to overall handling

U can (need to) change car setups in rwd to make them handle better, less oversteery , more stable on power, on brakes, when lifting etc

These changes can do the trick

- front toe out -0.40 and rear toe in 2.00 (makes handling more sluggish, less oversteering, giving you maybe enough time to correct with steering)

- diff driving lock: use very low lock % like even 0% and go slowly up from there to like 10-20% not more as it's not useful in any ways, just creates more on power oversteer
- lower diff braking lock also, use 4% at the start and maybe try higher, too high will cause oversteer when on brakes

- diff preload start with 20.00 and maybe go higher, this higher also causes oversteer when lifting the throttle so also wbriefly kicks in hen lifting&braking

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Take H3 rwd BWM e30 M3 (one of the easiest rwd in game if using a good car setup, also naturally aspirated car so no turbo lag)

Make alignment look like this: Front Toe -0.40, Camber -0.80 / Rear Toe 2.00, Camber -1.00

Explanation:
- Front toe out -0.40 reduces steering response so won't be so sensitive (this is actually working incorrectly in the game, it should be front toe IN positive that creates stability, understeer but here u have to go negative)
- Rear toe in creates stability by making rear end more sluggish (maybe reduce Rear toe to to 1.00 if too sluggish, understeering, too slow rear end rotation).
- How the cambers are set here F -0.80, R -1.00 it is slightly understeering setup as more negative camber in rear gives more grip to rear. (it is good to prevent loss of rear grip and uncontrollable snap oversteer). If handling is still too oversteering with steering input reduce front camber little by little to -0.70 then -0.60 then -0.50.

Make differential look like this: driving lock 10%, braking lock 10%, preload 30.00

Explanation:
- Driving lock on low % gives less on throttle oversteer (experiment with with this between 0-30% to notice a difference to better/worse).
- Braking lock is now quite low also reducing oversteer but when being on the brakes (adjust between 0-30% to notice a difference to better/worse).
- Preload is now also relatively low so when lifting the throttle(+when braking) it will oversteer less (adjust between 20.00 and 50.00 to notice a difference to better/worse)
Last edited by karik_FIN_134; Oct 10, 2023 @ 9:35am
ХОХВІЛС Oct 10, 2023 @ 12:40pm 
I would recommend to start with ford escort mk2. Just dont hit the gas as much as on FWD cars, and you will enjoy this car. I became top 900 on the one of the stages with this car, just trying to understand how the rwd works and remember: DONT HIT THE GAS ALL THE TIME, BE CAREFUL WITH YOUR THROTTLE!
Pringles Oct 10, 2023 @ 12:45pm 
Originally posted by Lordie:
I would recommend to start with ford escort mk2. Just dont hit the gas as much as on FWD cars, and you will enjoy this car. I became top 900 on the one of the stages with this car, just trying to understand how the rwd works and remember: DONT HIT THE GAS ALL THE TIME, BE CAREFUL WITH YOUR THROTTLE!
I tired the Escort mk2 but it keeps spinning out during sharp turns and when I use the hand brake how to fix?
Ilpo82 Oct 11, 2023 @ 8:29am 
Manta. Not the fastest but weight and long wheel base makes it chill...
p622 | RTP Oct 11, 2023 @ 11:05am 
Datsun - slow car but very nice to drive
Pringles Oct 11, 2023 @ 3:43pm 
Originally posted by :
Originally posted by Pringles:
I tired the Escort mk2 but it keeps spinning out during sharp turns and when I use the hand brake how to fix?
don't accelerate while you're turning
How do I do that if I don't accelerate when I turn i'll slide into the trees :(

Btw whenever I hand brake turn I spin out how to stop that? Are brakes too powerful?
karik_FIN_134 Oct 12, 2023 @ 5:26am 
-feather the throttle
- cars have setups to make them handle better (or worse) so open up diff driving lock to reduce oversteer = meaning u can go full throttle quicker and stay full throttle more without spinning out.

Again take BMW e30 M3 make differential look like this driving lock 10%, braking lock 10%, preload 30.00 and make alignment to look like this: front toe -0.20, front camber -0.70 / rear toe 1.00, rear camber -1.00

Do not use handbrake in rwd, just use body weight shifts with steering to create oversteer slide and follow it with smooth&precise throttle input and do countersteering with steering.
On a controller this can be very difficult because of thumbstick steering movement aren't not so accurate to do with so little of travel (vs with wheel and like 900degrees).

example: I'm driving Fiat 131 Abart here with a changed car setup and not using handbrake, Greece: Fourketa Kourva https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1566245173

slightly revised setup for Fiat 131 Abarth (vs one used in video as new stuff discovered)
Fiat 131 Abarth (Greece, October 12th 2023)
- Alignment: Front: toe 0.00, camber -0.75 / Rear: toe 1.00, camber -0.96
- Brakes: 2,070.00 Nm, bias 66%
- Differential: driving 30%, braking 15%, preload 50.00Nm
- Gears: 0.387 / 0.486 / 0.603 / 0.772 / 0.991 / FD 0.196 (top speed 175km/h or 108.7mph)
- Damping: Front: 1.00, -1.00 / Rear: 1.00, -1.00
- Springs: Front: rh 10.00mm, spr 53.19, arb 12 / Rear: rh 10.00mm, spr 35(or softer), arb 6 <- adjust rear arb if need (= firmer to fix understeer, softer to fix oversteer)

More changes to try:
- rear toe in increase to 1.20 or 1.40 etc if spinning out too easily (creates understeer to rear)
- diff driving lock 24% or 18% if spinning on the throttle too easily
- diff braking lock lower 10% if spinning on brakes too easily, also preload maybe 40.00 or 30.00 also reduces spins when lifting the throttle but also when on brakes and lifting throttle simultaneously
Last edited by karik_FIN_134; Oct 12, 2023 @ 10:39am
Mjarr Oct 12, 2023 @ 6:08am 
Originally posted by Pringles:
How do I do that if I don't accelerate when I turn i'll slide into the trees :(

Btw whenever I hand brake turn I spin out how to stop that? Are brakes too powerful?

You have to balance between the two. Just because you let go of throttle doesn't mean you have to do it permanently and let the car slide, you let go off it for say, a split second and then apply it again which you sync it in relation of your steering. Ideally you don't slam the throttle 100% down but say, if you are at full throttle then ease the throttle or lift off for a split second, you apply it gently again rather than slam it down. Depending on your input method this may require practice or rebinding keys to something analog, or simply learning how to tap the throttle accordingly (say, keyboard).

As for handbrake, you really don't need to use handbrake with RWD cars other than in very tight hairpins (and even that's debatable outside some very topx% pace) and even then you can often just use scandiflick or their naturally eager rears to rotate itself for you. But if you absolutely have to use handbrake, good start is to brake regularly first and then apply handbrake for the actual rotation, let it rotate a tiny bit and then throttle+steer accordingly. You can also blip the throttle a bit before you apply handbrake if you use sequential transmission so the car won't "stall" as much once you try to work the throttle, although this is heavily dependent on car, angle of approach, how late braking etc.
Last edited by Mjarr; Oct 12, 2023 @ 6:10am
Pringles Oct 12, 2023 @ 12:33pm 
yay thanks. but dw about counter steering it's pretty easy. I will try the new set up!
TeeJay Oct 13, 2023 @ 6:33am 
I'm suprised no one mentioned Alpine. Datsun 240Z is also a good pick, fairly easy to drive while not being as wild as other H3 cars like Renault 5 Turbo or Stratos, eventually BMW E30 M3
Czar Oct 15, 2023 @ 2:12pm 
The Alpine is a good teacher.
Originally posted by Felip. | Czar:
The Alpine is a good teacher.
Alpine is great and sounds great.
Sil Halcorr May 29, 2024 @ 7:09am 
Simplest way to find out. Go to time trial pick any course a car and try it!
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