AI difficulty is still insane - Proof included

[Eagle Beak]

For veteran DR players, yes I know this is beating a dead horse. This post is more for new players.

Seriously guys, do not feel bad about getting smoked by the AI. Especially when you're driving a FWD or RWD car. Proof positive below, that the default AI is insanely difficult:

I played today's Daily AI challenge. I am no expert driver, but I do have 400+ hrs of time in DR1 and DR2, and I regularly finish in the top 5% of the leaderboard. I was in 25th place at the end of today's AI challenge, with a time of 7:56:578 while the the top AI driver finished at 7:24:590. Disappointed at the result, I decided to check the leaderboards. Come to find out, I still finished in the top 6% of all players (even though today is my first day of using 900 degrees of steering vs 540, a huge handicap). In fact, only the top 55 players of 22,000+ were able to beat the AI's time (good work to all of you, by the way).


My time and place:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2195395238

The AI's top time:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2195395406

The slowest player to beat the AI, in 55th place of over 22,000 players
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2195395332

[PuNiO | RTP]

Yeah it's insane.... some say there's a final patch coming... Don't know if there's any truth in that though... but let's hope they fix many of the well known issues..... we can only hope... GL on the track ;)

[Ghost]

I am not sure what goes on with the AI but definitely seems to go by categories. I did good old 2000c and was right within or beating the AI in 100%. Now, RWD is a big variation. Older RWD, I can match or beat the AI, newer RWD, much harder. Overall, the AI is very inconsistent but I also noted in Master they do make mistakes and some big ones. One thing too, I am not sure that the AI in master is even equivalent to the AI in 100% difficulty. Might be something to check in your testing, that could be interesting.

[Snow Wolf]

As a casual player, I bought DR2 right after I've won the master championship in DR1(with countless amount of retries) because I really loved the rewarding feeling after successfully getting through tough stages.
But now in DR2 I'm currently in the pro championship and always AIs beat my ass off. I can't even get past 20th. This really turns me off and gives me no motivation to challenge DR2.

[Ghost]

Master is not impossible but some of the times are off.

[rob_every05]

Try rallycross, it is not even funny at higher levels of difficulty, just a total and utter banger race, never touched career, there is no incentive to play it, as usual with Dirt simmish games, it is just there with nothing linked to it.

[Evolve]

AI on wet tarmac is just insane, I'm with a FWD car and I can barely turn at 40km/h, the cars goes straight like it was on ice and AI just keeps going like it was on dry surface.

[Ryan]

Originally posted by Evolve:

AI on wet tarmac is just insane, I'm with a FWD car and I can barely turn at 40km/h, the cars goes straight like it was on ice and AI just keeps going like it was on dry surface.

You stuck on Historic 1? I picked dry-surface tires (Medium I think?) because the first 2 or 3 Spain stages were dry and I didn't realize you couldn't equip wet / soft tires at any time... and now on wet tarmac the car is handling like it's on 100% black ice the whole time. Super annoying.

[342]

Originally posted by Jasper:

Originally posted by Evolve:

AI on wet tarmac is just insane, I'm with a FWD car and I can barely turn at 40km/h, the cars goes straight like it was on ice and AI just keeps going like it was on dry surface.

You stuck on Historic 1? I picked dry-surface tires (Medium I think?) because the first 2 or 3 Spain stages were dry and I didn't realize you couldn't equip wet / soft tires at any time... and now on wet tarmac the car is handling like it's on 100% black ice the whole time. Super annoying.

i didnt pay attention once and its like driving on butter

[rob_every05]

Have said from day on not just wet tar, but all wet physics in this game are flawed at worst and very average at best. There is no feel at all, and although people always tell me this is irrelevant there is no sound whatsoever, no sound of your wheels locking, no tyre screech of any kind, and this is totally unrealistic.

A locked tyre on any surface makes a noise inside the car, OK you can argue if you could hear it with a lid on etc, but still, I have played a lot of racing games and this is a game, not a sim (don't let Codies convince you otherwise) and have never experienced this weird issue before. A locked wheel causes some noise regardless of weather, surface.

[Axe]

^^ This guy believes it should be like driving a real car in a real rally LOL

[Eagle Beak]

Originally posted by Axe:

^^ This guy believes it should be like driving a real car in a real rally LOL :F1wreath:

I mean, that's why we all bought the game . . . so yeah, me too. They advertise it as a rally simulator, so that's what we expect. If Richard Burns Rally could accomplish what it did in 2004, and on a shoestring budget, its not asking much for a AAA game in 2019 to be a slight improvement.

[Eagle Beak]

Originally posted by Snow Wolf:

As a casual player, I bought DR2 right after I've won the master championship in DR1(with countless amount of retries) because I really loved the rewarding feeling after successfully getting through tough stages.
But now in DR2 I'm currently in the pro championship and always AIs beat my ass off. I can't even get past 20th. This really turns me off and gives me no motivation to challenge DR2.

I'm totally with you pal. This game's campaign is so insanely difficult compared to DR1 that I hardly play it. For casual players, I'm sure its enraging. The AI times in this game are leaps and bounds faster that the best REAL LIFE rally times ever set. Its absurd, and you cannot go into this game with the expectation of ever beating them.

My personal philosophy for this game is that you shouldn't play it to beat the campaign or to compare yourself to the AI at all. When you play Dirt Rally 2.0, judge your accomplishment off of your improvement over time, and how you do on the global leaderboard (for example, this month you see that you're finishing in the top 20% more often, whereas last month you could hardly break 25%). You have to go into this game with the goal of just becoming a better racer, not to beat the game. Does that make sense?

[Axe]

Originally posted by Eagle Beak 4ID:

Originally posted by Axe:

^^ This guy believes it should be like driving a real car in a real rally LOL

I mean, that's why we all bought the game . . . so yeah, me too. They advertise it as a rally simulator, so that's what we expect. If Richard Burns Rally could accomplish what it did in 2004, and a shoestring budge, its not asking much for a AAA game in 2019 to be a slight improvement.

Sorry fella I didn't mean you I meant the twerp who posted directly above me in that post :-)

The AI sucks balls...

[Arborea]

Currently playing the AI montly challange and it's on hard difficulty but the AI is super fast. It is super weird i beat the class leader every time but i'm still 20-25 on the leaderboard.

[CaptainNebulous]

Several months before the game came out I read in an online mag that the master AI was tuned to the performance of real rally drivers playing the game. Not sure if that actually ended up being the case or not.

Personally I care more about my performance against others in the leaderboards and whatnot so it doesn't bother me too much once I get to master, if I'm getting blown away. That being said, perhaps they should add a couple of more "in-between" categories and leave master as is..... for the absolutely best of the best