Why did there remove the restrictions on the camera,

[WhispersOfTheWind]

on the leaderboards like it was in dirt 1? For clarity it was restricted to bonnet or cockpit view only.

Admittedly I saw official F1-sumulation racing and but one guy out of the whole field was using cockpit view where the rest was using overhead cam and I think in Dirt 2.0 this is also the case.

I think a restriction on leaderboards to have only cockpit view would be nice.

[fux]

Why would that be nice and why would it even matter? In f1 they race overcockpit view because the halo is kinda annoying, in dr I guess everyone either uses one of the cockpit views or the hood cam which is not that different either, I really doubt anyone uses 3rd person view

[ialyrn]

Originally posted by fux:

I really doubt anyone uses 3rd person view

Some people do

https://youtu.be/_iVqLOoyU6w

https://youtu.be/bAU0or1v-6c

[Sierain]

Originally posted by fux:

I really doubt anyone uses 3rd person view

I do, I've played like that since CMR1 (and whatever racing games I've played before that) and it's always worked for me so whatever. I've tried other camera angles but I just don't want to bother learning them after all this time. The main advantage you get for exterior camera is the fact that a broken windshield, windshield wipers and certain other effects aren't there. You still get some water on the "camera" but it's not a big distraction. I'd actually have the immersion of those features, but it just wouldn't work with a 3rd person view.

Most players seem to suggest that the exterior cameras are worse overall, though: Some blind corners are harder to see and the view might get completely blocked by vegetation etc. I'd imagine the 1st person views make more sense with a wheel as well.

[Eagleizer]

Originally posted by HellsWind:

on the leaderboards like it was in dirt 1? For clarity it was restricted to bonnet or cockpit view only.

Admittedly I saw official F1-sumulation racing and but one guy out of the whole field was using cockpit view where the rest was using overhead cam and I think in Dirt 2.0 this is also the case.

I think a restriction on leaderboards to have only cockpit view would be nice.

Unless you use VR, the window posts will block the view when sliding.

On 3 screens setup, it is impossible to get correct view in this game, so you end up sitting in the back seat, which feels really strange since it also does not match the point of rotation.

Many people have a cockpit on their room, where the screens are placed where the windows would be. Having a cockpit in the cockpit makes no sense. So bonnet cam is the correct view
in most cases when you use a wheel.

Off course, Codemasters does not understand this, so they wrongly call bonnet cam for assist in the menu, which understandably confuses people.

If you set up your own races, you can restrict the view to HeadCam. You will loose many participants though, for the reasons I just described.


Cheers :)

[FerSantander]

Why cockpit only. You think bonnet is not hardcore enough or something?

[cyäegha]

thing is, hoodcam was the winningest camera in DR and D4, and it's no different here
absolute best, least-obstructed and furthest-forward view that still has a point of reference for spatial awareness

that's probably the same reason people use the t-cam in F1 games as the proper cockpit view is incredibly claustrophobic... and it's not even as low (ergo as obtrusive) as sitting in the cockpit IRL

i always use proper cockpit view in games that allow for it, but i can understand why people prefer hoodcam

[WhispersOfTheWind]

Originally posted by FerSantander:

Why cockpit only. You think bonnet is not hardcore enough or something?

I am fine with cockpit view and to be honest I think that's the only one that should be available in leagues because of balancing issues and fair play because using any other view is simply cheating IMHO because you can get an unfair advantage over someone using only cockpit view because with the complete car view for instance you can see better and be faster consequently.

Now for instance in each sector on track people who are in the very lead of the leaderboards have 10 seconds over my own time, when I drive on the limit in cockpit view I simply can't go faster without taking much more unnecessary risk versus reward (in this case reward being time gained) that people who drive in full car view simply don't face because they can see better versus me having to estimate corners etc...

This time gained by opponents in each sector, in this case every sector being 10 seconds over my own time, and I drive in or near on the limit couldn't consequently be gained I think if they were driving in cokpit view, where the times if everyone did this would be more closer together opposite to having like 10 seconds difference.

[FerSantander]

Using bonnet is cheating?, and with fov all down to the left?, seriously?, I agree that on leagues forcing one view for everyone should be the way to go, but putting that as cheating is too much.

[ialyrn]

Originally posted by HellsWind:

Originally posted by FerSantander:

Why cockpit only. You think bonnet is not hardcore enough or something?

I am fine with cockpit view and to be honest I think that's the only one that should be available in leagues because of balancing issues and fair play because using any other view is simply cheating IMHO because you can get an unfair advantage over someone using only cockpit view because with the complete car view for instance you can see better and be faster consequently.

Now for instance in each sector on track people who are in the very lead of the leaderboards have 10 seconds over my own time, when I drive on the limit in cockpit view I simply can't go faster without taking much more unnecessary risk versus reward (in this case reward being time gained) that people who drive in full car view simply don't face because they can see better versus me having to estimate corners etc...

This time gained by opponents in each sector, in this case every sector being 10 seconds over my own time, and I drive in or near on the limit couldn't consequently be gained I think if they were driving in cokpit view, where the times if everyone did this would be more closer together opposite to having like 10 seconds difference.

People are fast because they are fast, not because of the view they use. Fair, it makes it easier to see in the rain with an external view. But top times can still be set in cockpit view. Its not cheating for someone to use a different view to you, they are in the game, and they are allowed to be used by Codemasters. If you want cockpit only rallies, you have the option to set up a club and lock it to cockpit view only.

If you dont believe me, here is my driving in cockpit view and setting high LB times -

(VR) https://youtu.be/Q1ZDEFeFZr0

(VR) https://youtu.be/s-mWlAjJoQw

(Non-VR. This time is much faster now than shown in the video, see below) https://youtu.be/xRwTM22Pa5M?t=533

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2159924597

I always drive cockpit view, regardless of whether I am in VR or not. I use a racing wheel, and I go for as much immersion as I possibly can. And as you can see, I can top the LB's.

The only disadvantage you have, is your own negative attitude, your belief that people are only faster than you because of the view they use. That is absolute horse manure, and it devalues the skills that people have developed in order to do well.

The only thing that time gap shows, and your insistence that you are driving at the limit, is that you have reached your own personal limit. But you can push past that and get faster, but you have to stop blaming the view used, or blaming some other arbitrary reason for it. Practice, learn, improve. Thats how it works. If you want to decrease that 10 second gap, then you have to put in the work!

[Axe]

That's a good idea. Let's start restricting things to stop people having choices. This isn't Russia or China and the like.

[WhispersOfTheWind]

Originally posted by Axe:

That's a good idea. Let's start restricting things to stop people having choices. This isn't Russia or China and the like.

Why, what an interesting way to tie in politics and gaming.

[Corrupt_Player]

Cockpit Driver here.

Honestly it doesn't bother me that the took away the cockpit cam as a difficulty requirement to place on the leaderboard.

A simple way to fix the issue is to just not let it bother you. Play the game and have fun find lines that work best without needing that spacial awareness. If your having fun you should place just fine on the leaderboards "top 100".

The more you care about how the reason some people are faster than you and they should be penalized because they are not playing realistically should be about you yourself getting more track knowledge and experience.

Trust me people who use the hood cam to get close to walls cut corners and slide better. sometimes miss braking zones and overcook entry because the sense of speed is reduced in hood cam. Often times leaderboard ranks drop because they think they drove the best they can one time.

Don't let it get to you just enjoy the game.

[WhispersOfTheWind]

Originally posted by Corrupt_Player:

Cockpit Driver here.

Honestly it doesn't bother me that the took away the cockpit cam as a difficulty requirement to place on the leaderboard.

A simple way to fix the issue is to just not let it bother you. Play the game and have fun find lines that work best without needing that spacial awareness. If your having fun you should place just fine on the leaderboards "top 100".

The more you care about how the reason some people are faster than you and they should be penalized because they are not playing realistically should be about you yourself getting more track knowledge and experience.

Trust me people who use the hood cam to get close to walls cut corners and slide better. sometimes miss braking zones and overcook entry because the sense of speed is reduced in hood cam. Often times leaderboard ranks drop because they think they drove the best they can one time.

Don't let it get to you just enjoy the game.

Thank you for the input.

As it stands I am having fun driving the car and it's just the fact that I like to compare my times to opponents times but when I see someone so far ahead of me I of course get a bit discouraged especially since I find out that everyone basically with top time's 'cheesing' or downright cheating so this makes me insecure and I can't orient by the ways of leaderboard because that's unreliable.

I think one valid option here would be to just simply have specific tags of what someone is driving with for instance cockpit view or 3rd person camera.

Another neat option for the game would be ghost cars but this totally aside.

[fux]

when I look for ''dirt rally 2(.0) record'' on youtube the first videos I found are all driven in hood or cockpit view besides the videos from that one dude where you don't know because he uploads multiple camera angles from the replay and one record actually driven with follower cam. this whole thread sounds like you need an excuse for some people being faster than you. maybe you should spend more time driving and learning the tracks so you don't have to ''estimate corners'' and cry about a camera view

[ialyrn]

Originally posted by HellsWind:

As it stands I am having fun driving the car and it's just the fact that I like to compare my times to opponents times but when I see someone so far ahead of me I of course get a bit discouraged especially since I find out that everyone basically with top time's 'cheesing' or downright cheating so this makes me insecure and I can't orient by the ways of leaderboard because that's unreliable.

I think one valid option here would be to just simply have specific tags of what someone is driving with for instance cockpit view or 3rd person camera.

Another neat option for the game would be ghost cars but this totally aside.

Did you even look at my post above and the videos I linked showing top LB times while in cockpit view, or are you just ignoring it to keep the "they are cheating" line going?

I record my top runs precisely because people like you that accuse those faster than them of cheating.