DiRT Rally 2.0

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Fulvic Jun 7, 2020 @ 3:26pm
I suck so bad a Rear Wheel Drive
Does anyone else seem to have issues with RWD? I'm not sure if its the game or its just me because I am constantly oversteering and don't get much indication of when it is. Is there something im missing with RWD that AWD and FWD don't have? I've tried tuning things such as Negative Camber and softer rollbars but I still keep spinning out. Any vets have any good tips?
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EF_Neo1st Jun 7, 2020 @ 3:41pm 
Originally posted by Fulvic:
Does anyone else seem to have issues with RWD? I'm not sure if its the game or its just me because I am constantly oversteering and don't get much indication of when it is. Is there something im missing with RWD that AWD and FWD don't have? I've tried tuning things such as Negative Camber and softer rollbars but I still keep spinning out. Any vets have any good tips?
RWD cars tend to oversteer more, it is normal and expected and you need to learn to drive differently than FWD and AWD.
Axe Jun 7, 2020 @ 3:42pm 
Many many many many....

What you are missing is the fact RWD cars are just more difficult full stop.

Sorry can't help with setups but there are hundreds of posts you can search for and maybe even a steam guide before the big boys arrive.
Fulvic Jun 7, 2020 @ 3:46pm 
So from what I'm gathering, RWD is more of a challenge for the sake of it as opposed to different advantages?
Fulvic Jun 7, 2020 @ 3:47pm 
Also, is it normal to be slower in a RWD as opposed to FWD or is it a matter of learning (specifically refrencing dirt tracks here)
Axe Jun 7, 2020 @ 3:49pm 
Originally posted by Fulvic:
So from what I'm gathering, RWD is more of a challenge for the sake of it as opposed to different advantages?

It's more of a challenge because of the real world physical reasons that it is RWD. It's easier to pull a vehicle than push one.
Last edited by Axe; Jun 7, 2020 @ 3:50pm
Axe Jun 7, 2020 @ 3:53pm 
Originally posted by Fulvic:
Also, is it normal to be slower in a RWD as opposed to FWD or is it a matter of learning (specifically refrencing dirt tracks here)

These vehicles are modelled to have 'real-world' physics and while there is discussion how well it is done the very basic facts certainly aren't up for question.

Also when you get to know and understand the car settings option in the game there certainly will be settings which will offset those inherent difficulties.
Last edited by Axe; Jun 7, 2020 @ 3:55pm
EF_Neo1st Jun 7, 2020 @ 3:54pm 
Originally posted by Fulvic:
Also, is it normal to be slower in a RWD as opposed to FWD or is it a matter of learning (specifically refrencing dirt tracks here)
fwd cars, especially compact ones are easier to drive for most people because the driven wheels benefit from the weight of the engine and gearbox on top of them, pushing them down more. Thereby it is easier to gauge whether or not you are steering your car where you point it (you feel some resistance in the wheel as you turn, therefore tyres have traction == everything is gravy -- should the front go light: you ease off steering-angle and/or foot-input bacause the car is not going where you point it, but rather straight on into that tree in front of yout. Easy!

rwd-cars (those with the engine still in the front) feel and drive a little differently as the wheels responsible for propulsion and those for steering are not the same ones. RWD has the theoretical advantage of straight-line acceleration-potential (given enough power) as well as light acceleration through a turn. However on loose ground you will find that excessive-yet-fun oversteer renders slower stage-times.
The funny thing is: when you are entering a corner with just the right slip-angle, the steering will turn light, and that can depending on the situation, be a good thing as it it means you have found the sweet-spot and you have the opportunity to enter a controlled drift. Your throttle-control and shifting-strategy are key here.

front-engined, rear-wheel-drive was the original concept from when the car was invented. Hence some more interesting cars can be found in the vintage classes. Today only very few true rwd-layout cars remain - most of them in either the luxury-segment or as pure sports-cars, hence most of what you see in the newer classes are either fwd or fwd-derived awd-models.
Last edited by Simon said EAT DUST PLAYER_1 !; Jun 7, 2020 @ 4:32pm
Axe Jun 7, 2020 @ 4:42pm 
You may find some of these vids some use from one of the stickied threads at the top of the forum page:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/690790/discussions/0/2823131567377530094/
pvt joker Jun 7, 2020 @ 6:48pm 
It is actually the best part of the game, RWD vehicles, once you get the hang of it -unless you are stuck with a keyboard which makes throttle control impossible with boolean input, it is either %100 or nil.

With RWD vehicles first thing to learn is going easy on throttle. No matter what, always increment it smoothly.

Key to mastering RWD or just not oversteering to start with, is to understand the relationship between road surface and torque. You really have to be gentle on gas pedal or gamepad trigger at first so you understand it.

Next thing you need to do is to know the car better. You have to use manual gear and know exactly when to shift gears. Manual gear is a must with RWD car.

To lets say do perfect cornering at high speed with a RWD car, you have to drift along with persistent torque output while cornering. These things will come slowly but you have to know which gear you should be on and how much throttle you have to open while cornering when you approach a turn.

DO NOT change gears while cornering with a RWD car. Think it like this: There is a centrifugal force, increasing while you are more into the turn, and it keeps pressuring vehicle more and more to throw it out. You need to counter that force with torque, without tires losing grip. If you change gear in middle, car will lose balance. If you open too much throttle, again car will lose it's grip and balance.

TL;DR
use manual gear,
always have perfect control over throttle,
make lots of experiment with gears and how the car puts torque out on different gear
good beginners'-advice from "Outsider" right there!
Really, sometimes when you already are a seasoned slow-poke, it is easy to forget about the simple things that you just keep taking for granted because they have become second-nature since so long ago.

manual gears (so that the car won't shift ratios and destabilize your drive when you least need it to do so) are a must!
Otherwise you won't ever develop a feel for your throttle, which is crucial to driving a rwd-car well.

Likewise: disable stability control and traction-control.

You might think: "But Simon, I need better traction and control, and both are in the name of these wizardry systems. Why disable them when I need more traction and more control?"

Answer: They take control away from you in the precise way they are designed and programmed: to not ever step over the line. With rwd-cars however, the fastest way around a corner on loose surfaces is achieved by using a very small amount of slip, meaning just a little more power than the computer would allow in the effort to prevent wheel-slip at the earliest moment. A very small amount of wheelslip (when moving) is beneficiary as long as you know how to balance it. And here we need to disable stability-control in order for that to happen, as that system likes the car to never steer into the turn why slipping. As soon as you point your wheel away from the corner-trajectory and into the slide (opposite lock), it will try to force the rear around the other direction, using autonomous braking pulses and throttle-cuts to make the rear wheels follow in the wake of the fronts, again.

All clear? Well, the prove is in the pudding, get out there and drive and test it out - well inside the game, please. Don't just disable all the things on your real car and go corner-hunting in your neighbourhood - that would be a very unwise idea and I strongly advise against it!
Last edited by Simon said EAT DUST PLAYER_1 !; Jun 8, 2020 @ 4:59am
Ghost Jun 8, 2020 @ 3:20pm 
easy trick, drop the rear differential to a loose setting. Usually this will tend to get less power down to the rear, less brutal. Once you manage that, then you can mess around with the differential to give more response. RWD is usually more exciting but requires more practice. As pointed earlier, no down shifting in the turns, no slamming on the brakes. You want to slow down properly before, down shift, turn, rear goes around, counter steer, back on the power nice and smooth. If you do it right, the car will turn very well on its own.
Xenial Jesse Jun 8, 2020 @ 4:09pm 
I'm not great at RWD but I do think that they are the most playful to drive once you've found something you like and have got the hang of it.

I remember that, for me, the Stratos used to be as painful to drive as its reputation suggests. But now it's my favourite to drive; I love the way I can float around some areas with it.
jotada_63 Jun 8, 2020 @ 7:36pm 
Tip from Sebastien Loeb: AWD, FWD, and RWD cars, On asphalt stages, Dont brake aggressive way, Use brakes smoothly.
Last edited by jotada_63; Jun 8, 2020 @ 7:38pm
BluesyMoo Jun 8, 2020 @ 11:29pm 
Originally posted by Fulvic:
So from what I'm gathering, RWD is more of a challenge for the sake of it as opposed to different advantages?

The mid or rear engine RWD's are pretty good compared to FWD's because more weight is distributed to the rear axle, so they have good traction accelerating out of corners. The Alpine, Porsches, BMW M1... all have good traction. They also bite you harder if you manage to completely lose the rear.

Compared to AWD though, both FWD and RWD are just not as good.
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