RWD cars are undriveable.

[napocapo69]

Not really much not add; RWD (especially Lancia Stratos) are simply wrong in the way they behave: insane rear spin and oversteer aceleration; not credible and not fun.

[Marius]

I don't like them in dr2 because I do not feel when they gonna loose grip.

The only feedback is sat and then it's already too late.

[svt4cam]

Op has a point. In trying to fix D4’s bolted to the ground physics Codie’s went too far the other way. In DR1 the drifts were progressive and could be controlled by adding or dropping throttle, with rare exceptions like the 037 which had realistic drop throttle oversteer. DR2 is more like a drifting game where even entering a corner with neutral throttle quickly will kick the ass end around. Pair that with numb steering and it’s frustrating for drivers that have actually driven real rear wheel drive cars. To me the rear wheel drive cars handle like slot cars, it seems like they rotate around a point further back on the car then the front axle.

[DocStrangelove]

Originally posted by Bigbazz:

Unless you're physically impaired, how can using a wheel be exhausting? You drive an actual car with a wheel, and my 60 year old mother does just fine.

Well I don't drive in real life like I do in Dirt Rally. And I find using the wheel far more stressful than the controller. BTW, I meant mentally exhausting, not physically.

[Simon said EAT DUST PLAYER_1 !]

Originally posted by RacingIvysaur:

I don't like them in dr2 because I do not feel when they gonna loose grip.

The only feedback is sat and then it's already too late.

it is supposed to be that way when looking at the Stratos. Cars with their center of gravity in- between the driver and their rear-axle ("Midships" as they are called) do handle significantly differently to anything else. It really should feel like: " grip, grip, grip, BOOM! " (which is an oversimplification in and of itself)

It is decidedly NOT the handling and physics that is wrong in DR 2.0. It really is the ffb, and the ffb only in this game.

Especially the Stratos is even more special. Pay close attention to front- axle track-witdth, then look at the rear. Notice something? (hint: kind-a looks like the exact inverse of the Citroen DS21...)

Dirt 4 on the other hand, now talking unrealistic handling.......... (not going to revisit THAT mess!)

[Bigbazz]

Originally posted by DrStrangelove:

Originally posted by Bigbazz:

Unless you're physically impaired, how can using a wheel be exhausting? You drive an actual car with a wheel, and my 60 year old mother does just fine.

Well I don't drive in real life like I do in Dirt Rally. And I find using the wheel far more stressful than the controller. BTW, I meant mentally exhausting, not physically.

I think that comes with practice, for me it's the other way around as I just do not have the same control with a controller. If you practice with a wheel it becomes very natural, but you can't expect that to happen right away. I actually play racing games with my wheel to relax, listen to a podcast and drive for a couple of hours.

I used to do that in my real car too, but fuel ain't cheap.

[DocStrangelove]

I played DR1 with wheel for about 300 hours. With time it became increasingly tiring and my times became ever worse, until I eventually stopped playing. Tried DR2 for a day with the wheel but I don't really care about it anymore, controller is more enjoyable.

[DesRoin]

Originally posted by napocapo69:

Not really much not add; RWD (especially Lancia Stratos) are simply wrong in the way they behave: insane rear spin and oversteer aceleration; not credible and not fun.

The Stratos is particulary spinny. I found the Opels to drive much calmer. Also RWD ought to be difficult, there is a reason 90% of normal road cars are front wheel drive these days and they don't have 200+ horse power ;)
One person on here compared the drive modes to a skateboard for me once:
FWD: Pulling the skateboard with a string from the front
RWD: Kicking the skateboard in the rear
4WD: standing on the skateboard
I think that's fairly accurate, if you go into a corner with RWD and hit the throttle wherever your wheels have been thrown too they'll keep going even stronger with more throttle input.
Hence if you throw your car in a corner you go off the throttle completely and keep steering against the direction.
That being said I personally only drive FWD and 4WD cars because I find them much more enjoyable.

[Motörhead 2112]

Lancia Evo 037 on DR1 ,this car was nearly undriveable,this on DR2 goes like on rails,think is your input-setup

[Simon said EAT DUST PLAYER_1 !]

Originally posted by DesRoin:

Originally posted by napocapo69:

Not really much not add; RWD (especially Lancia Stratos) are simply wrong in the way they behave: insane rear spin and oversteer aceleration; not credible and not fun.

Also RWD ought to be difficult

It really isn't "difficult". It is different and 95% are not used to it. Especially after the compulsory introduction of traction& stability-control assists in everyday cars ~2011 (and voluntary inclusion/specification long before that).

there is a reason 90% of normal road cars are front wheel drive these days

because it is cheaper to manufacture and service. It drives "good enough" nowerdays and is a little easier to understand and handle at the limit for the untrained.

Does it really drive better than a well-sorted rwd platform? Why do you suppose almost no high-end luxury saloon/sedan (other than maybe Audi and Citroen) is built around a fwd-platform? Case in point!

and they don't have 200+ horse power ;)

Noone who isn't towing really needs even that much in a normal 1.5t passenger vehicle. But it sure is nice to have access to more.

Hence if you throw your car in a corner you go off the throttle completely and keep steering against the direction.

That being said I personally only drive FWD and 4WD cars because I find them much more enjoyable.

While this recipe works well for the typical " F-R " configuration (engine in the front; party at the back)...

You are not going to tame a car like the Stratos this way. Why? Weight-distribution and uneven/ non-square track-width. Wider track in the rear than in the front. Why? Because the main purpose of a rally-car is poise and agility, not straight-line stability. The Stratos was an engineering-exercise focused on and optimized specifically for stage-rally. And that means it changes direction more willingly than pretty much anything else of it's day.

[DesRoin]

Originally posted by Simon said DIE ♥♥♥♥♥!:

and they don't have 200+ horse power ;)

Noone who isn't towing really needs even that much in a normal 1.5t passenger vehicle. But it sure is nice to have access to more.

Well it does make me sad when my little 110 HP Cactus slows down to 155kph just because the Autobahn goas uphill *sniff* :'(

[ZbP86]

Been there yesterday (pad), then after 100hrs, I disabled V-Sync and bam, they are fine now, not to mention other classes.

[cRAGu]

I agree. RWD cars are too difficult to control, even at low speed (e.g 20 km/h).

[DesRoin]

Originally posted by cRAGu:

I agree. RWD cars are too difficult to control, even at low speed (e.g 20 km/h).

Well my RWD driving is pretty crappy but it does work I think
https://youtu.be/P35d3zkbP8Q

[Kawira]

I find RWDs the most fun to play. They force u to drive very smooth which is an art itself

[DocStrangelove]

You guys are going to love the BMW M1 Procar Rally that's coming on 9 April, a 430HP RWD supercar from the early 80s that was never purposed for rallying.

Can't wait /rubs hands