DiRT Rally 2.0

DiRT Rally 2.0

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Any tips for improving? (thnks everyone)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQOwHhCNBnA
My best lap at this track with this car, trying to keep rev up and not overdoing things, by the last sector I kind of just wanted to make sure I would make the time as I was already lowering my personal best by some 18 seconds, but still 21 to go for WR.
Not using handbreak. (I still do a barrel-roll or hit the wall most of the time when using handbreak but also I use mostly just for certain turns at snow or gravel tracks)

Any tips for being faster?
I am not good at rally but trying my best to get better.

(not using assists).
Zuletzt bearbeitet von EF_Neo1st; 17. Juni 2019 um 15:50
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Ursprünglich geschrieben von jasonbarron:
All of my assists are turned off (I guess that is the default setting for the game because I never messed with them) and I'm using manual sequential on an xbox 360 controller. My question is: am I getting the correct Dirt Rally experience, or should some of the assists actually be turned on, like ABS? I'm pretty new to racing, so I hardly know how this stuff would even be in "real life." Any advice appreciated.
I dont know, I use only clutch assist, everything else is turned off and manual gear.

I dont like how the clutch feel with the G29 pedals.

Still trying to avoid downshift through the turns or at the start of turns to try and do the turns with 1 gear up and not pushing rev up that much, but it is being hard.
As I mentioned (and if I didnt mention, I am now), I am not used to rally and I dont know how to drive with rally cars, trying to do as the woman at the video but it seen too much of doing the righht racing line and right angle of attack at the right moment and she seen to do it naturally . . . maybe I should learn more about co-driver instructions instead of trying to memoryze the track. (reason why I do only the short tracks atm, because I can memoryze the track or most of the track).
Zuletzt bearbeitet von EF_Neo1st; 4. Juni 2019 um 16:00
It seems that you could decrease the strength of your brakes in the car setup. Indeed , you block the tyres while braking each time..hence losing grip and direction...and time. It is better to use the brakes with a little tap on the pedal to transfer the weight of the car to the front on FWD and you'll see that your turns will be easier while keeping the speed.
On tarmac, try as well to lower down your car near to the minimum, leaving a little margin to help your dampers and springs to do their job on weight transfer...you'll witness a huge difference in the grip and the handling of the car.
Zuletzt bearbeitet von zefrancou; 5. Juni 2019 um 7:23
Thnks, I will try.
This far I havent changed anything at setup and was just doing it as I felt confortable but trying to get speed through turns and at exit of turns
If you want to gain you probably need to to jack bracking lock so you could late brake. Atleast you will gain on your doenshift rev.
I still lock wheels when I use handbreak or when I use too much the breaks, that is why I was downshifting more than breaking.

I am not "great" at other racing games but I am more used to F1 and sport cars, with times around 2s to 5s from WR at the tracks (I also dont change setup less if I get close to 2s and dont find another way of improving, I was trying to do the same here as I am 21s from WR at this track and 21s at Monte Carlo, I would consider changing setup when I was at least 5s from WR . . . will try to change it now and see how it change).
You're braking too much and it's blocking your wheels often, you have no assist so it's harder to control, try not to brake on every corner, sometimes you can just stop accelerating, you're thinking too much on not doing things wrong and you're doing them anyways :P
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Awpii:
You're braking too much and it's blocking your wheels often, you have no assist so it's harder to control, try not to brake on every corner, sometimes you can just stop accelerating, you're thinking too much on not doing things wrong and you're doing them anyways :P
I kind of figure that, but I still dont find myself confident and confortable enough to flatout or do the turn 1 gear up sliding or not breaking . . . must improve skills.
I still mostly hit a wall and spin or hit the wall and stay there because I made it at the wrong place or softlocked wheel (this when I dont just do a barrelroll here and there by locking wheels).

Like at first turn, I can get more to the left and start the turn earlier.
Second turn I can start sliding before at probably second gear and try to get 3rd gear at 3rd turn by getting to the middle (a bit to the left) and start sliding a bit . . . 4th turn is doable at 3rd gear as I could see but . . . mistakes of mine, still not able to do most of it (and it is just the start) consistently.
I am still bad, hope I am now moving at the right direction toward learning properly.
Zuletzt bearbeitet von EF_Neo1st; 5. Juni 2019 um 17:55
Getting better guys, thnks: https://youtu.be/VxmGqMRwVno
Still made mistakes that cost me like 2s to 4s but getting better.
From 2:50.338 to 2:46.338 making mistakes.
(now that I noticed, .338 on both videos, lol, the odds).

EDIT: I still panic downshifted
viewer discretion is advised
Zuletzt bearbeitet von EF_Neo1st; 7. Juni 2019 um 3:57
Ursprünglich geschrieben von SkyRex:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZK5EaSMnxw
Nice i like it even tho some of those tips might already for advance player or at the very least new to time trial. If you want some of my tips you should go a bit more basic on those video for new players like Assist and FOV. Keep a pattern, like a basic for menu and then for driving. How to drive on different surface and build up more advance. Drop the top 5 tips and go all out.
Thnks anyway but...

I am not using handbreak like "it is rally so duh", I try only on hairpins and for me a rally car, even on tarmac, work like I am always going through the dirt part of the track and driving style seen to be more of the correction driving style on other games (like correction as you set tire at dirt area) because of the grip, also rally cars use a different setup to allow the cars to be more aggressive at the turns and I am still not used to it.
For tarmac rally, it dont work like an F1 car, a GT3 car or any other kind of car . . . aside from rally cars at Project Cars 2.

The setup may make a huge difference but I havent got into it yet, I havent tried to change setup as I am still bad at it (like, really, 17s from WR, that could be just 15s or 13s from WR, is not the moment to try new setups as I am still in need to learn a lot more to get close enough to WR times to make a difference and changing setup now would just change the setup to a wrong driving skill and style so I am avoiding to try setup now).

The 3 senses . . . oh the 3 senses.
By now I can yes make a 3d mapping of the track on my head . . . this when I memorized the track, when not, even screen pacenotes just make no sense to me and screw me from time to time as when I am going to turn left, the co-driver guy tells me to turn right and by instinct . . . I turn immediately to the right (I dont need to mention what happen).
I am stillnot used to the pacenotes and still driving only through trial and erros and memorization . . . and I know it is wrong but this far it is being the most hard thing for me not only by the short-term memoryzation but because . . . I dont understand what the numbers and other indications with left and right mean (other than a "green" mean light, a "yellow" mean mid, a "orange" must mean dangerous mid and "red" mean hairpin .. and I am still probably getting it wrong this way as sometimes I see green on screen but no "light turn" ahead where it should be yellow or orange, some yellow that should be green . . . etc).

About ffb . . yes, that is what I do but as I am not used to go sliding my first video I used a lot the "panic downshift" to try and get grip before the turns or through the turns . . I still did the same at the second video but a lot less, where I learned how to do better without it and felt confident enough, I gone without downshifting like that. I am trying for real, really.

The "too early" thing should be re-titled" more like "start the turn early", where you need to let the car slide a bit befgore the turn, at proper race line and angle, to be able to do the turn, and it change from turn to turn and if that is another turn after that turn (also if the next turn is to the same direction or oposite direction, etc) . . . but yeah, I know this beforehand, I am stil not good enough at it as my best time at Monte Carlo is just 21s from WR but that how I do tracks like these . . . fun that I do better at snow/ice than at gravel as I dont remember a track at gravel I got closer than 40s and usually I am 1min from WR and dont find much way to improve . . . Monte Carlo also have wider tracks, make it easier).

Like Digressive mentioned, this video is not much for newcomers and dont explain much either, not enough for a newcomer to a sim game or rally game. Should work better as a preview list for newcomers to achieve.

I am practicing like 30min to 1hour a day, not everyday (and I also change to Project Cars 2 AND I play other games, so, end up the time/year is less than 30min/day) but I try to practice when I feel myself with more attention and reflexes, that because I believe a good practice with attention and reflexes is better and dont print more wrong skills and style (as if I am without attention and reflexes I will have to correct a lot more and do things way too early, printing on me wrong ways of driving . . . I already dont know how to drive at rally and rally surfaces make it even harder as the changes in skill and style between tarmac, gravel and snow are enormous, also rallying even on tarmac is different from F1 or other categories of racing)
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SkyRex 8. Juni 2019 um 15:04 
^So you gave various reasons why most of my tips don't work for you?

1. WHY would a rally car been driven differently on tarmac than a GT3 car? GT3 cars drive the way theay do, because it is quickest on tarmac. You CAN drive different and slide around, but even though DR2's tarmac physics are not the best, you will still be slower this way.

2. Setup is not for being quicker, but being more confident with the car. The car should behave predictable, if it doesn't you cannot drive with confidence.

3. Googling what the numbers of the pacenotes mean takes like 2 min. Turn off the damn symbols and keep your eyes on the road.

4. 21sec from the WR is really good mate, don't know what u are complaining. I am holding a WR in Poland myself, but am still like 20-30 sec behind the WR on some other stages.

5. It was not aimed at a newcomer to Sim-Racing. I clearly stated that at the beginning. It is meant for people who know Sim Racing (PCars, Forza, GT, etc.) and are new to offroad sim driving.
1. Because the GT3 car is being driven on a not so dirt tarmac, have different setup and get grip faster and on different driving style. Every car is different, rally cars are no exception.

2. If I still have to learn more, being confident to change setup to my wrong way of driving a rally car just mean I am not changing my driving style and skill, I am changing the car to it.

3. Yes but, as I mentioned, it is more about my short term memory than the pacenotes. If I memoryze the pacenotes and learn each and every one of them, my short term memory still screw me.
(and yes, I know I always had this kind of problem, prob reason why I am always taking it as the last thing I try to improve, long term and very short term to multiple things is a real and serious problem to me).

4. I consider the 21s from WR a bad time . . for myself, and it just mean I have a lot more to learn to shave these 21s (could shave 4s, maybe would shave +2 or +4 seconds if I havent made so many mistakes that attempt).

5. I kind of skipped the intro (that I noticed was an intro) and read the video title.

Anyway, as I mentioned before, I thnk your help.
It indeed help and brough more attention to the pacenotes.
I still have to find a way to antecipate the turns at narrow tracks without sliding out of the track or into something. 1min from WR, way too slow on these narrow gravel tracks.

But yes, I aim for the WR, to at least get close to WR. Again, for me, 21s from WR (even 17s from WR) still too slow.
Zuletzt bearbeitet von EF_Neo1st; 8. Juni 2019 um 15:36
(I know it is kind of necroing but I didnt want to open another topic just to thnk everyone that helped me).
By the way, I know I am still bad and not following all the tips (what mean I am still not able to follow properly all SkyRex tips too) but it is my lack of skills fault, I am trying.

Got better at Gravel, where my best times were around 1min to 1 min 30s from WR, now I got a conservative try at 45s from WR:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUAsJdDtk1Q&t=321s

And a wild try at 25s from WR (and could be like 10s better if I havent done so many mistakes):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seQLOtLGjrQ

I think I am getting the hang of it, still much to learn but, even with mistakes, I feel like I am more on the right path now.
Thnk you guys again, thnk you all.
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