No Linux? No Steam purchase!

[eldarion_telcont]

Just mentioning that I chose not to purchase this game on Steam because it is Windows only, even though the previous three games are in my Steam library. I do not want to fight Windows when I want to play games. Instead I purchased this game for PS4 on disc.

If there was a Linux version I probably would have gotten a digital copy for PC too, but the PS4 version is much easier to use since you just put the disk in and play instead of waiting for Windows to do updates and upload "telemetry" on you.

[AuraFB]

That's understandable, thank you for your support regardless!

In case anyone's reading this who's interested in the subject, Linux and why no Linux version for T4 is planned has been previously discussed in a couple of other threads with input from us. I'll just link the threads here:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/690640/discussions/0/1842440600617693589/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/690640/discussions/0/1696095261000607905/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/690640/discussions/0/1842440600620771518/ (in this thread someone tested the game on Proton and was able to run it)

[Omnifarious]

I'm sure they're absolutely crying their eyes out about missing out on that 1% of the Steam userbase that is still screaming about how "This is going to be the year of Linux gaming"

Dual boot and quit expecting developers to put money into catering to a minority steam userbase that is literally smaller than the MacOS userbase.

[YT GamingTux]

I have played the whole game without problems
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXckdBDfTuyssuQ-OQkw_pzMhvgSKuqby

[まりさ]

Based on reports. Game runs perfectly on Proton. https://www.protondb.com/app/690640

[Ronald McFondle]

I wish this game was a native Linux game, too. Their decision to not support it does not work for me. I won't run it with Proton. I own all 3 previous games. I wish I could play the 4th.

[Zef]

Originally posted by Omnifarious:

I'm sure they're absolutely crying their eyes out about missing out on that 1% of the Steam userbase that is still screaming about how "This is going to be the year of Linux gaming"

Dual boot and quit expecting developers to put money into catering to a minority steam userbase that is literally smaller than the MacOS userbase.

:lunar2019grinningpig::lunar2019laughingpig:

Lol so true.

It's as simple as supply and demand.

Linux gaming had a brief boost with the launch of steam OS but after that failed most developers quickly dropped linux support again in favor of doze. (except indies).

[hickname]

Well, ultrawide resolution users is about 2% of Steam userbase, and it's support is very limited.
Linux userbase is less than a percent, go figure the rest yourself.

[dima8]

Hm im really starting to wonder why ppl want a native linux port. It isnt the first time i saw comments like that on a game that works fine with proton.( trine 4 works for me even without proton for some reason)
Could someone bother to explain to me what the difference is?

[vanbushi]

Originally posted by Omnifarious:

I'm sure they're absolutely crying their eyes out about missing out on that 1% of the Steam userbase that is still screaming about how "This is going to be the year of Linux gaming"

Dual boot and quit expecting developers to put money into catering to a minority steam userbase that is literally smaller than the MacOS userbase.

This.

I'm not sure why Linux players have such entitlement problems. You're literally sub 1% of the gaming population. What the dev's would need to invest in support for a small percentage, would outweigh what they get in sales.

[leonardo lemos]

Just registering, i would buy this game too, if there would be linux support. The linux users percentage does not show the real linux interest on games, most of linux lover chose to dual boot because the games does not run on linux. You see, if would be full support, maybe the linux percentage could be even greater than windows percentage

[vanbushi]

Originally posted by leonardo lemos:

You see, if would be full support, maybe the linux percentage could be even greater than windows percentage

This is an insane statement, and shows that you didn't do any research before making this comment.

[omer666ster]

Originally posted by vanbushi:

Originally posted by Omnifarious:

I'm sure they're absolutely crying their eyes out about missing out on that 1% of the Steam userbase that is still screaming about how "This is going to be the year of Linux gaming"

Dual boot and quit expecting developers to put money into catering to a minority steam userbase that is literally smaller than the MacOS userbase.

:lunar2019grinningpig::lunar2019laughingpig:

This.

I'm not sure why Linux players have such entitlement problems. You're literally sub 1% of the gaming population. What the dev's would need to invest in support for a small percentage, would outweigh what they get in sales.

The problem is not entitlement (thanks for the free psychoanalysis, by the way), it's fighting a monopoly. What you are advising to do is basically "stop complaining and use Windows". If we chose to use Linux, that's because we have good reasons to do so, whether they are technical or ethical or over privacy concerns. The statement is a simple one: we are using Linux and we would like to have a native version, like it was the case with the 3 previous games, but also with Shadwen and with both Shadowgrounds.
I'm sorry but I am quite disapointed to see that Frozenbyte gave up on Linux support, and as such, I won't be buying Trine 4. Call me stupid if you'd like, I don't care about your conformist opinion.

[JLarja]

Part of the "problem" these days is that you'll probably get better experience via emulation than you would with the sort of "minimum effort" versions that previous Trine ports were (Trine 2 when originally published was fine, but after that OpenGL renderer started lagging behind and gamepad support was actually getting worse).

The original Trine and Shadowgrounds games weren't ported by us, by the way, but outsourced. I'm not sure if we even have sources for them (I know they aren't readily available, but someone could find something from some old hard disk or CD-R).

Personally, I find it a pity that there's no business case for Linux games. Our engine is very portable, so it wouldn't be a huge undertaking as such. I think it's important that there are free options available in software world, but frankly, I don't think Frozenbyte spending money on Linux ports would be particularly effective way to promote that.

-JLarja / Frozenbyte

[Kegen]

Originally posted by JLarja:

Part of the "problem" these days is that you'll probably get better experience via emulation than you would with the sort of "minimum effort" versions that previous Trine ports were (Trine 2 when originally published was fine, but after that OpenGL renderer started lagging behind and gamepad support was actually getting worse).

The original Trine and Shadowgrounds games weren't ported by us, by the way, but outsourced. I'm not sure if we even have sources for them (I know they aren't readily available, but someone could find something from some old hard disk or CD-R).

Personally, I find it a pity that there's no business case for Linux games. Our engine is very portable, so it wouldn't be a huge undertaking as such. I think it's important that there are free options available in software world, but frankly, I don't think Frozenbyte spending money on Linux ports would be particularly effective way to promote that.

-JLarja / Frozenbyte

For this, and the overall mature handling of this topic as well as your companies efforts to support more than just the bare minimum - I'm purchasing even without native Linux support.


I feel a bit of pity and shame for those name calling and mocking, I recall being a Windows fan boy against Macs when I was young. Same dismissive arguments and projecting because you mistake tribalism for a good argument.
Linux isn't perfect, but it has a lot more proconsumer and developer stances and paths.

Tools like Wine/Proton, etc are easing the pain of platform specific tools (DirectX, etc.) and everyone wins for it.

[NeroLuxPT]

I dont care who uses Windows, or Mac etc, im a linux user and i bought all 3 games, and now the fourth is released and theres no Linux version, that a crappy thing.
I could play the game trough proton, but no, i will not buy the game because if the linux game market isnt enough for Frosenbyte well my money should not be enought also to frozenbyte.