Is desert possible?

[ᴮᴼᴷNoMatoPeroDebilito]

(Spoilers from the third zone)

I had an easy time with the game until the desert, there are some problems that are made worse by the fact that the game doesn't prepare you or explain for them

1. Heat, I have +40 fatigue every turn, essentially always exhausted. This is frustrating and important for (2.)
2. Ransom quest: You have to defeat a powerful enemy in little time, it could be possible if I was not always exhausted...
3. I cannot rehire squad members in the desert.
4. Going through the desert to find Renauld was difficult, I found him but I was unable to defeat him since I had 0% to hit him (My AGILITY is extremely high, +32) Maybe if I was less injured I could have defeated him in many tries but the real and biggest problem is 5.
5. The game ends after you are unable to find Renauld, WTF? Why isn't there a warning? I understood I had to collect 1000 coins but that was not enough. If I knew that I would have tried harder (although, probably with the same result, due to the problems mentioned above)

devs pls fix

[[Admiral]Horatio]

The fatigue thing I agree is strange, considering the enemy is entirely unaffected by it.

I get wearing less armour makes it less, but even with mail you're getting 30ish fatigue.

[COINCELPRO]

the heat is a killer, you just need to be deadly enough to kill things before exhaustion, or defensive enough to fight well exhausted - dress down, the game says the fatigue buildup is worse the heavier your gear

Renauld stats are insane, stun him to tilt things in your favour or play the stamina and fatigue game
no guarantees, though, with some enemies 100% accuracy shots were 100% misses for me, always (with the secondary attack - primary attack worked, for some reason)

[ᴮᴼᴷNoMatoPeroDebilito]

Originally posted by COINCELPRO:

the heat is a killer, you just need to be deadly enough to kill things before exhaustion, or defensive enough to fight well exhausted - dress down, the game says the fatigue buildup is worse the heavier your gear

Renauld stats are insane, stun him to tilt things in your favour or play the stamina and fatigue game
no guarantees, though, with some enemies 100% accuracy shots were 100% misses for me, always (with the secondary attack - primary attack worked, for some reason)

I get it, I have no problem fighting totally exhausted, the thing is, since squad members are turned off in the desert, I have to fight alone, thus, I need to be defensive and play with a shield. This takes time that is needed in the ransom quest.

And yeah, I don't know why tf the enemies are not affected by the heat...

[COINCELPRO]

the ransom quest is bugged anyway, I did it and all it did was reinitiate the quest when talking to the mayor lol

the people you're fighting have adjusted to the heat, you and yours are fresh off the boat
it'd be neat if the effect lessened the further along you're on the chapter timer, but whatever

[death and rebirth]

Originally posted by Radamant:

Originally posted by COINCELPRO:

the heat is a killer, you just need to be deadly enough to kill things before exhaustion, or defensive enough to fight well exhausted - dress down, the game says the fatigue buildup is worse the heavier your gear

Renauld stats are insane, stun him to tilt things in your favour or play the stamina and fatigue game
no guarantees, though, with some enemies 100% accuracy shots were 100% misses for me, always (with the secondary attack - primary attack worked, for some reason)

I get it, I have no problem fighting totally exhausted, the thing is, since squad members are turned off in the desert, I have to fight alone, thus, I need to be defensive and play with a shield. This takes time that is needed in the ransom quest.

And yeah, I don't know why tf the enemies are not affected by the heat...

Squad members are not turned off. You can rehire men if you complete the St. Lazarus quest with a good ending. There also are some trinkets that reduce fatigue buildup from the heat.

[ᴮᴼᴷNoMatoPeroDebilito]

Originally posted by death and rebirth:

Originally posted by Radamant:

I get it, I have no problem fighting totally exhausted, the thing is, since squad members are turned off in the desert, I have to fight alone, thus, I need to be defensive and play with a shield. This takes time that is needed in the ransom quest.

And yeah, I don't know why tf the enemies are not affected by the heat...

Squad members are not turned off. You can rehire men if you complete the St. Lazarus quest with a good ending. There also are some trinkets that reduce fatigue buildup from the heat.

I could rehire squad members in all previous locations except of the desert, what is the St Lazarus quest? maybe it bugged.

Yes I found the trinket that reduces the fatigue by 33%. It's still useless if the fatigue is 40 with my good armor and 30 with a mediocre one

[death and rebirth]

Originally posted by Radamant:

Originally posted by death and rebirth:

Squad members are not turned off. You can rehire men if you complete the St. Lazarus quest with a good ending. There also are some trinkets that reduce fatigue buildup from the heat.

I could rehire squad members in all previous locations except of the desert, what is the St Lazarus quest? maybe it bugged.

Yes I found the trinket that reduces the fatigue by 33%. It's still useless if the fatigue is 40 with my good armor and 30 with a mediocre one

Consider wearing lighter armor then lmao. Thats the whole point of the mechanic.
The quest is given by Emma if you meet her at the beginning of the chapter (you need to have 65 prestige to do it).

[Ironside12]

Just go a light dodge build when there. run defence stance and you'll be fine. Just wear them down.

[ᴮᴼᴷNoMatoPeroDebilito]

Originally posted by death and rebirth:

Originally posted by Radamant:

I could rehire squad members in all previous locations except of the desert, what is the St Lazarus quest? maybe it bugged.

Yes I found the trinket that reduces the fatigue by 33%. It's still useless if the fatigue is 40 with my good armor and 30 with a mediocre one

Consider wearing lighter armor then lmao. Thats the whole point of the mechanic.
The quest is given by Emma if you meet her at the beginning of the chapter (you need to have 65 prestige to do it).

I failed that check, I think you should be able to retry it

[Mycophobia]

Originally posted by death and rebirth:

Originally posted by Radamant:

I could rehire squad members in all previous locations except of the desert, what is the St Lazarus quest? maybe it bugged.

Yes I found the trinket that reduces the fatigue by 33%. It's still useless if the fatigue is 40 with my good armor and 30 with a mediocre one

Consider wearing lighter armor then lmao. Thats the whole point of the mechanic.
The quest is given by Emma if you meet her at the beginning of the chapter (you need to have 65 prestige to do it).

Can you elaborate exactly what game use to calculate how much fatigue is gained? Because as is, there is no way for player to choose or balance their armor choice in the chapter. Since wearing only a leather vest with kettle hat still gives me 30~ fatigue a turn (I was wearing a more armored glove and has a kite shield, which might be why, but If those matters, especially the shield, I think it should be made clear)

Is it based on the armor type only, or how much the armor encumbers your stat? Also, does glove, leg armor, helmet etc all matter, and if so, to what degree? I dont think exact number is necessary, but player should be able to look at a piece of equipment and decide if it will serious encumber them or not for this chapter.

It seems its an important and interesting mechanic and forces interesting gameplay change, but I feel it needs to be better explained so player can make informed decisions.

Especially in heads will roll mode with no going back (since the first time you learn of the mechanic, you'd be in a fight already, by which point you are probably already screwed if you are wearing heavy armor from previous chapters.) A throwaway line in the intro to the chapter to warn player of the heat will help a lot, as is a better explanation of the mechanic.

[[氷]Zero]

For your number 5, even if you have 1000 then you just get ending in which the return sunk at sea ending, dosent change anything.

[death and rebirth]

Originally posted by Mycophobia:

Originally posted by death and rebirth:

Consider wearing lighter armor then lmao. Thats the whole point of the mechanic.
The quest is given by Emma if you meet her at the beginning of the chapter (you need to have 65 prestige to do it).

Can you elaborate exactly what game use to calculate how much fatigue is gained? Because as is, there is no way for player to choose or balance their armor choice in the chapter. Since wearing only a leather vest with kettle hat still gives me 30~ fatigue a turn (I was wearing a more armored glove and has a kite shield, which might be why, but If those matters, especially the shield, I think it should be made clear)

Is it based on the armor type only, or how much the armor encumbers your stat? Also, does glove, leg armor, helmet etc all matter, and if so, to what degree? I dont think exact number is necessary, but player should be able to look at a piece of equipment and decide if it will serious encumber them or not for this chapter.

It seems its an important and interesting mechanic and forces interesting gameplay change, but I feel it needs to be better explained so player can make informed decisions.

Especially in heads will roll mode with no going back (since the first time you learn of the mechanic, you'd be in a fight already, by which point you are probably already screwed if you are wearing heavy armor from previous chapters.) A throwaway line in the intro to the chapter to warn player of the heat will help a lot, as is a better explanation of the mechanic.

All the stat debuffs from EVERY defensive item you're wearing (helmet, body armor, gorget, bracers, leg armor) are added together and multiplied by 2.

I understand some players' frustration with this mechanic not being properly explained and yet I still believe that it was the right thing to do to convey how different and unfamiliar Outremer is to a European who has never been there.

I wanted Outremer to be a tough challenge that would force the player to adapt and that would play differently to the other areas of the game.
Hope this helps!

[Mycophobia]

Originally posted by death and rebirth:

Originally posted by Mycophobia:

Can you elaborate exactly what game use to calculate how much fatigue is gained? Because as is, there is no way for player to choose or balance their armor choice in the chapter. Since wearing only a leather vest with kettle hat still gives me 30~ fatigue a turn (I was wearing a more armored glove and has a kite shield, which might be why, but If those matters, especially the shield, I think it should be made clear)

Is it based on the armor type only, or how much the armor encumbers your stat? Also, does glove, leg armor, helmet etc all matter, and if so, to what degree? I dont think exact number is necessary, but player should be able to look at a piece of equipment and decide if it will serious encumber them or not for this chapter.

It seems its an important and interesting mechanic and forces interesting gameplay change, but I feel it needs to be better explained so player can make informed decisions.

Especially in heads will roll mode with no going back (since the first time you learn of the mechanic, you'd be in a fight already, by which point you are probably already screwed if you are wearing heavy armor from previous chapters.) A throwaway line in the intro to the chapter to warn player of the heat will help a lot, as is a better explanation of the mechanic.

All the stat debuffs from EVERY defensive item you're wearing (helmet, body armor, gorget, bracers, leg armor) are added together and multiplied by 2.

I understand some players' frustration with this mechanic not being properly explained and yet I still believe that it was the right thing to do to convey how different and unfamiliar Outremer is to a European who has never been there.

I wanted Outremer to be a tough challenge that would force the player to adapt and that would play differently to the other areas of the game.
Hope this helps!

Thanks for the explanation, that makes everything makes much more sense. though to clarify, are shield included in this calculation or no?

I am totally fine with the this being a new and unexpected challenge, but giving how unforgiving most fights in the desert are, I do think a slight heads up warning will be nice. Also, once the mechanic is formally introduced, it may be best to explain what factor into the fatigue calculation (I was doing a high crafting playthrough and the reduced armor penalty from high crafting really would've helped, but i wasnt sure if it was worth it because i dont know if the game calculate based solely on armor type or actual defensive debuff.

[death and rebirth]

Originally posted by Mycophobia:

Originally posted by death and rebirth:

All the stat debuffs from EVERY defensive item you're wearing (helmet, body armor, gorget, bracers, leg armor) are added together and multiplied by 2.

I understand some players' frustration with this mechanic not being properly explained and yet I still believe that it was the right thing to do to convey how different and unfamiliar Outremer is to a European who has never been there.

I wanted Outremer to be a tough challenge that would force the player to adapt and that would play differently to the other areas of the game.
Hope this helps!

Thanks for the explanation, that makes everything makes much more sense. though to clarify, are shield included in this calculation or no?

I am totally fine with the this being a new and unexpected challenge, but giving how unforgiving most fights in the desert are, I do think a slight heads up warning will be nice. Also, once the mechanic is formally introduced, it may be best to explain what factor into the fatigue calculation (I was doing a high crafting playthrough and the reduced armor penalty from high crafting really would've helped, but i wasnt sure if it was worth it because i dont know if the game calculate based solely on armor type or actual defensive debuff.

Yes, the shields are a part of it too - I forgot to mention them.
I see what you mean. I will make Heat tutorial explain how the actual debuff number is calculated - hopefully in the next patch or so.

[VDmitry]

- encountering something with 0% chance to hit is how the game is designed
- I had no troubles going through the desert, but the enemy was tough, won by luck I think
- it's also the game end, what is not fun at all