Was anyone else uncomfortable killing Joseph Clarence?

[atessts]

When I first played Death of a Snowman, I have to say I really didn't want to kill the target, Joseph Clarence. He's just a former amusment park owner, who got shut down because of a huge accident involving a ferris wheel. He really seemed like he didn't mean to get mixed in with the drug business, and just wanted a second chance in life.

Is it possible IO meant for us to feel this way?

[RomMush]

To bad i cant get past the mission because it crashes right after completing

[Daoud Baba]

Angelina Mason is an beautiful girl and I don't like kill beautiful woman....even if she's cold killer !
Me too, Blood Money crash after missions completed... We need to unlock all levels by cheating...

[Alehead]

Messaggio originale di Daoud Baba:

Angelina Mason is an beautiful girl and I don't like kill beautiful woman....even if she's cold killer !
Me too, Blood Money crash after missions completed... We need to unlock all levels by cheating...

Simp!!!!! SIMP!!!!!!

[Twan]

Yeah kinda, but then I remember the trail of bodies I left leading up to him and I stop caring.

[UmbralPenumbra]

Messaggio originale di Pharnham:

Nope, not one bit. He ran his amusement park like a slum lord and his negligence cost the lives of many. Then he went into drugs. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

He was made destitute by the litigation surrounding an accident at his park, to the point he had to rent it out to actual criminals, who were now refusing to pay him

One of the family members of a victim didn't like the court decision, and hired an assassin to kill him

It's a massive moral grey zone. It's not clear what the nature of the accident was, regardless of whatever the person hiring 47 might be "sure of"

But the point is to demonstrate that 47 literally doesn't care. He does what he's paid to do. Even says it himself

Who he specifically kills doesn't matter; it's all a money thing for him. If anything he's the least immoral character in all of the games

The games tend to do a good job of showing just how much of a scumbag your targets are. Swing King is one of the few who you could argue maybe didn't deserve it

I think the only human 47 ever cared about was Father Vittorio

[Defalt]

Messaggio originale di Nihil:

Messaggio originale di Pharnham:

Nope, not one bit. He ran his amusement park like a slum lord and his negligence cost the lives of many. Then he went into drugs. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

He was made destitute by the litigation surrounding an accident at his park, to the point he had to rent it out to actual criminals, who were now refusing to pay him

One of the family members of a victim didn't like the court decision, and hired an assassin to kill him

It's a massive moral grey zone. It's not clear what the nature of the accident was, regardless of whatever the person hiring 47 might be "sure of"

But the point is to demonstrate that 47 literally doesn't care. He does what he's paid to do. Even says it himself

Who he specifically kills doesn't matter; it's all a money thing for him. If anything he's the least immoral character in all of the games

The games tend to do a good job of showing just how much of a scumbag your targets are. Swing King is one of the few who you could argue maybe didn't deserve it

I think the only human 47 ever cared about was Father Vittorio

it does remain that 47 is not like other agents his skills are unmatched in his field and he has tenure needless to say he is not the guy you send to kill just anyone plus he has the luxury of being able to say NO to targets i doubt the ICA would offer him something that he wouldn't accept but he could

that being said... swing king and his entire operation does seem below the designer assassin treatment but that makes me feel like 47 felt it was justified

even when he hands him the photo he sounds disgusted with the man

that being said 47 cares for diana even though their relationship is complicated he has a soft spot for her

[UmbralPenumbra]

Possibly. I don't remember anything up to Blood Money (haven't played anything more recent) showing obvious signs of 47 being anything other than pure business with Diana. It seemed like she might have some extracurricular interest in him, but 47 remained detached

As far as disgust, those voice lines sounded the same as every other line in the game. He sounded closer to disgusted with the guy at the gate in the beginning

Hypothetically 47 can turn down contracts, but I think he cares too much about the money. I can't think of any contracts he's turned down. Pretty sure he was genetically crafted to not care about his targets. Maybe that's in newer games, but I wouldn't know

[Samz]

Messaggio originale di Defalt:

Messaggio originale di Nihil:

He was made destitute by the litigation surrounding an accident at his park, to the point he had to rent it out to actual criminals, who were now refusing to pay him

One of the family members of a victim didn't like the court decision, and hired an assassin to kill him

It's a massive moral grey zone. It's not clear what the nature of the accident was, regardless of whatever the person hiring 47 might be "sure of"

But the point is to demonstrate that 47 literally doesn't care. He does what he's paid to do. Even says it himself

Who he specifically kills doesn't matter; it's all a money thing for him. If anything he's the least immoral character in all of the games

The games tend to do a good job of showing just how much of a scumbag your targets are. Swing King is one of the few who you could argue maybe didn't deserve it

I think the only human 47 ever cared about was Father Vittorio

it does remain that 47 is not like other agents his skills are unmatched in his field and he has tenure needless to say he is not the guy you send to kill just anyone plus he has the luxury of being able to say NO to targets i doubt the ICA would offer him something that he wouldn't accept but he could

that being said... swing king and his entire operation does seem below the designer assassin treatment but that makes me feel like 47 felt it was justified

even when he hands him the photo he sounds disgusted with the man

that being said 47 cares for diana even though their relationship is complicated he has a soft spot for her

47 murders an innocent journalist because he was paid to in Contracts, he doesn't care too much about morals I think.

[UmbralPenumbra]

You mean the guy in Rotterdam? He's not a target

[Samz]

Messaggio originale di Nihil:

You mean the guy in Rotterdam? He's not a target

No, the guy being tortured in the basement of Rotterdam, I mis-remembered but he is an innocent reporter.

[UmbralPenumbra]

He's an undercover cop I think

[Samz]

Messaggio originale di Nihil:

He's an undercover cop I think

He was a Private Investigator hired to investigate the gang and the Contractor wanted him dead simply because he failed.

https://hitman.fandom.com/wiki/Klaas_Teller

[UmbralPenumbra]

Private Investigators are hardly "innocent" and they're not "reporters", and he disguised himself to try to steal the pictures. Mayors are scumbags as well truth be told, so really it's another "there are no good sides" mission. Now the actual journalist with the bowler derby I'd consider innocent. Plus the game considers him an Innocent IIRC

The mission is pretty easy to SA. I sedate him, grab his suit, fiber the bartender and take his clothes, then fiber the biker leader and finish the rest of the mission before he's woken up

[Samz]

Messaggio originale di Nihil:

Private Investigators are hardly "innocent" and they're not "reporters", and he disguised himself to try to steal the pictures. Mayors are scumbags as well truth be told, so really it's another "there are no good sides" mission. Now the actual journalist with the bowler derby I'd consider innocent. Plus the game considers him an Innocent IIRC

The mission is pretty easy to SA. I sedate him, grab his suit, fiber the bartender and take his clothes, then fiber the biker leader and finish the rest of the mission before he's woken up

He still probably doesn't deserve to die but 47 has no qualms about killing him.

[UmbralPenumbra]

Messaggio originale di SmazySamshy:

He still probably doesn't deserve to die but 47 has no qualms about killing him.

Yeah, he's cold blooded. Probably wouldn't be such a good hitman otherwise

Reminds me of an interview with Richard Kuklinski (supposed Mafia hitman, but that's disputed). When asked how he felt about killing, he said something like "I don't. It doesn't bother me"

I can't imagine someone with empathy being capable of a job like that