Hitman 2: Silent Assassin

Hitman 2: Silent Assassin

dongola Sep 29, 2014 @ 3:34pm
Is 47 Religous?
At the end of H2, 47 says, "Forget the past. I'll never find peace here. So, I'll seek justice for myself. I'll choose the truth I like." That sounded to me like he was basically saying, 'This church isn't helping me, I'm out. I make my own rules." Later, though, in H5, he drops Victoria off at a huge church rather than in a sewer somewhere or a hiding spot like the Hideout in H4. This shows he still hold some reverence for the church, even when it seemed like he denounced it earlier. Now, I don't actually care what a bald, killer clone's views on God are, but it is kind of confusing and I'd enjoy if anybody could clear that little bit of his character up.
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dongola Sep 30, 2014 @ 2:42pm 
I would like to say that at one point 47 did pray during the opening level of H2, and he was completely alone, I'm pretty sure. He made the shape of a cross with his hands (I'm not Catholic I have no idea what it's called) before killing the Don in Anathema. So he did actually believe for a short while, I assume.
Also, I'm not saying I disagree with you here, but what makes Rosewood any lower threat than some obscure hidey hole 47 is sure to have plenty of. He knows full well what he is; he should have several safe places in case of emergency. His previous connections to Catholocism didn't exactly go peacefully either, so I'm not sure how that's a pulling factor for the orphanage. Again, not saying you're wrong, I'd just like some elaboration.
Also, totally agree on the point about 47's personality in H5.
Last edited by dongola; Sep 30, 2014 @ 2:44pm
Originally posted by Jemaba:
I would like to say that at one point 47 did pray during the opening level of H2, and he was completely alone, I'm pretty sure. He made the shape of a cross with his hands (I'm not Catholic I have no idea what it's called) before killing the Don in Anathema. So he did actually believe for a short while, I assume.
Also, I'm not saying I disagree with you here, but what makes Rosewood any lower threat than some obscure hidey hole 47 is sure to have plenty of. He knows full well what he is; he should have several safe places in case of emergency. His previous connections to Catholocism didn't exactly go peacefully either, so I'm not sure how that's a pulling factor for the orphanage. Again, not saying you're wrong, I'd just like some elaboration.
Also, totally agree on the point about 47's personality in H5.

A convent is the least likely place to be attacked IMO and there's people there that are willing to take care of others who seek refuge (no questions asked either). Yes he could've hid her in some random hidey-hole/safehouse but no one would be with her and its possible she could be abducted.

I found this off a forum and I believe this is the prayer that you were referring to “Lead me, O Heavenly Father, in the path of right. I walk alone and stumble in the dark. Show me the light, and I’ll go there. Let me find peace in my own heart and save me from my enemies."

Prior to that, 47 also says "I've killed...many people. For money. Out of ignorance. Out of evil. Out of hatred...But Father, I don't belong. I'm not of this world, so why should God forgive me?"

It's perfectly fine to see 47 as believing in Roman Catholicism but I think he uses prayer as a source of comfort and a way of dealing with his past in a human-like manner, more than anything else. If he had met a Hindu person after the events of Hitman 1 and settled there; he'd likely be practicing a Hindu ritual instead.

It's clear 47 realizes he's not part of this world, his values don't coincide with the Church and more than likely he doesn't even understand the concept of religion. He's alien to many ideas and you see clues to this in many of the games.

"His previous connections to Catholocism didn't exactly go peacefully either"

Maybe I'm forgetting something but 47 just realized at the end of Hitman 2 that he can't escape his past and his past makes him who he is today -- I'm not suggesting his ties to Catholicism weren't severed though. He didn't abandon the Church or the Father, he just left to deal with the scum of this world once more. There's even a cut weapon (its empty spot can be observed in the garden shed) that after completing Hitman 2 you'd be rewarded with rosary beads. This was most likely cut for religious reasons and we never see 47 with beads in any of the games (he was given them earlier in Hitman 2 though) but they allowed for 47 to quickly insta-kill any person.

I'll allow you to make up your own mind :)


Edit (June 19 2015):

^ This is all my opinion. Yes 47's religious and yes he practices Catholicism but I feel he's not a full believer.
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BananaJane Nov 6, 2014 @ 9:24pm 
Why would a clone believe in god
Originally posted by BananaJane:
Why would a clone believe in god

A clone could but I see it as a bit silly myself, too.
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BananaJane Nov 30, 2014 @ 10:22am 
Originally posted by Tatsuya Hiroki (HU):
Originally posted by BananaJane:
Why would a clone believe in god
now Im not sure if we can really call agent 47 a clone, more like a genetically modified human that is

You see dozens of them though, they look exactly the same
luckz Dec 6, 2014 @ 9:02pm 
"H5" is garbage and doesn't matter :3
Originally posted by Tatsuya Hiroki (HU):
Originally posted by BananaJane:
Why would a clone believe in god
now Im not sure if we can really call agent 47 a clone, more like a genetically modified human that is

Well he wasn't a natural human who was experimented on. He's akin to a test-tube baby and part of a cloning project (being the only successful clone).

His DNA is made up from 5 of the world's most "deadliest" (arguably) people and honestly is far from human in any way, shape or form.

I did used to think like you, very similarly, that he was genetically modified human but he's really just the perfect clone and gifted with great DNA and augmented abilities (from extensive experimentation).
Originally posted by luckz:
"H5" is garbage and doesn't matter :3

It's still a fair point. As much as I hated Absolution there is an increasing number of religious interactions that we see 47 engage in.

I just don't think he believes in any religion really and it makes little sense for a clone such as 47 to believe in one.
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Ace Dec 28, 2014 @ 6:41pm 
Originally posted by -3xA'Lu©κy:
Originally posted by Tatsuya Hiroki (HU):
now Im not sure if we can really call agent 47 a clone, more like a genetically modified human that is

Well he wasn't a natural human who was experimented on. He's akin to a test-tube baby and part of a cloning project (being the only successful clone).

His DNA is made up from 5 of the world's most "deadliest" (arguably) people and honestly is far from human in any way, shape or form.

I did used to think like you, very similarly, that he was genetically modified human but he's really just the perfect clone and gifted with great DNA and augmented abilities (from extensive experimentation).

Ok he is just a superhuman who had his genes altered scientifically and was born in a unnatural way .... He's still human. He's not a creature or amphibian. Anyone with a brain knows he's human.
Last edited by Ace; Dec 28, 2014 @ 6:41pm
Originally posted by Sgt. Ace:
Originally posted by -3xA'Lu©κy:

Well he wasn't a natural human who was experimented on. He's akin to a test-tube baby and part of a cloning project (being the only successful clone).

His DNA is made up from 5 of the world's most "deadliest" (arguably) people and honestly is far from human in any way, shape or form.

I did used to think like you, very similarly, that he was genetically modified human but he's really just the perfect clone and gifted with great DNA and augmented abilities (from extensive experimentation).

Ok he is just a superhuman who had his genes altered scientifically and was born in a unnatural way .... He's still human. He's not a creature or amphibian. Anyone with a brain knows he's human.

Clones are still human, yes. I don't think I ever said he's *not* human -- he's just far from being a human, or a normal human I should've said. The whole debate is centered around whether he's a clone or not (I personally lean towards clone). He's still human but part of a cloning experiment IMO; the latter has been stated by the games many times. It's a bit hard to put across my exact view, the way I wanted to, so I'll leave it there for now.
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General Plastro Jan 8, 2015 @ 7:34pm 
Out of all people, i think 47 has many reasons to seek a religious faith.

He feels lost in the world, seeking some "higher purpose" seems the more logical approach to someone whose job is to kill other people.

Maybe he looked for a justification or maybe even forgiveness. Not sure what became of that after Hitman 2 tho. It seems he just lost interest or doesnt think of himself as someone capable of being religious anymore.
Originally posted by General Plastro:
It seems he just lost interest or doesnt think of himself as someone capable of being religious anymore.

That's just it -- or what I took from that game anymore. To me, I can't see a clone as being religious (but I'm perhaps being cynical). I think 47 realizes his values are incompatible with most people's values for that matter, let alone religious' values.
Gen X Apr 26, 2015 @ 4:23am 
I think some of you misunderstand the story of franchise, catholic influence and christian is huge while it parodys modern consumerism and corruption. HM2 he is trying to leave this life of bloodmoney. And right when he thought he was out they bring him back in. HM3 contracts was simply one entire reminicent dream of his past hits. HM4 in my view in reality is LAST chronologically, which is why at end he kills all survivors to make agency think he is dead while whole time Diana was helping him behind closed doors. As for absolution one would say well he kills diana so it has to be after bloodmoney... But no, if im not mistaken at the end of absolution you see the little girl reunited with Diana.... in the end she DOESNT die. So in reality what is the sequel to the franchise? We havent seen it since 47 dispeared since bloodmoney. Yet the end of absolution shows chicago police now have his picture? Kind of confusing, but I personally think IO is pulling a Pulp Fiction on us, mixed up chronologicallly story lines.
Originally posted by Zakarro™:
I think some of you misunderstand the story of franchise, catholic influence and christian is huge while it parodys modern consumerism and corruption. HM2 he is trying to leave this life of bloodmoney. And right when he thought he was out they bring him back in. HM3 contracts was simply one entire reminicent dream of his past hits. HM4 in my view in reality is LAST chronologically, which is why at end he kills all survivors to make agency think he is dead while whole time Diana was helping him behind closed doors. As for absolution one would say well he kills diana so it has to be after bloodmoney... But no, if im not mistaken at the end of absolution you see the little girl reunited with Diana.... in the end she DOESNT die. So in reality what is the sequel to the franchise? We havent seen it since 47 dispeared since bloodmoney. Yet the end of absolution shows chicago police now have his picture? Kind of confusing, but I personally think IO is pulling a Pulp Fiction on us, mixed up chronologicallly story lines.

That's a nice interpretation and I think I did say somewhere incoherently (might not be on this thread) that he was trying to leave the Hitman life behind in HM 2 -- but he finds himself drawn to it again; as if it's fate that's pulling him back and that's what he's destined for.

I pretty much agree with the rest of your thoughts too but I don't believe the Hitman series is anything but chronological (except for Hitman: Contracts of course). It's still a nice theory.
jepsen Jul 10, 2015 @ 5:31am 
are you guys serious? at the very beginning of the game after you interact with the laptop he makes a christian cross over his heart with his hand
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