No party scaling = hard pass.

[Satyricon42]

If the expansion has no party scaling like the base game then I will not buy the expansion.

I played through the entire bass game solo multiple times with different classes and never had much of an issue get through it. But the base game scales according to party size.

I don't know anyone who plays this game, and I honestly prefer to play ARPG-like games solo. Playing with randoms is also a huge turn-off for me.

Again, if the expansion does not scale according to party size I will not buy the expansion. Which is a real shame because I'm one of those people who actually continued playing Outriders despite its technical issues and bugs.

But hey, I guess I'll have more time to play Monster Hunter Rise Sunbreak. I'll wait and see what happens. If they do implement party scaling I'll likely buy it.

[QueazyCorpse]

I'm not sure what you are talking about as the story as well as the expeditions party scale. They have from the start they just don't do it in the same way.

[Boltergeist]

This simply is absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ wrong

As always, skillup got a basic fact wrong because he read some material and then dropped presumptions

PCF also says CT15 is for group play yet people solo gold eots

like literally here a new build doing it at at 30

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dpFZC6ItppQ

My source: several beta players who soloed up to at30+

[Satyricon42]

Originally posted by QueazyCorpse:

I'm not sure what you are talking about as the story as well as the expeditions party scale. They have from the start they just don't do it in the same way.

That's the base game you're talking about. That does indeed scale according to party size.

Skillup mentioned that, in the review manual he got from the Outriders devs, it is mentioned the expansion content does not scale according to party size.

I know the base game is soloable all the way through. You really do not have to tell me that. I'm talking about the expansion, just like Skillup does. There's a distinction here. The base game does scale according to party size, and the expanion (according to the review manual he received from the Outriders devs) does not scale according to party size.

He mentions that very cleary. He was not talking about the base game. He was talking about the expansion. If this ends up being a mistake on his part then I will buy the expansion. If he's right, though, I will not buy the expansion.

[Satyricon42]

Originally posted by Boltergeist:

This simply is absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ wrong

As always, skillup got a basic fact wrong because he read some material and then dropped presumptions

PCF also says CT15 is for group play yet people solo gold eots

like literally here a new build doing it at at 30

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dpFZC6ItppQ

My source: several beta players who soloed up to at30+

Ok, then I will wait and see the player reviews that are bound to come after launch. I'm not saying Skillup is 100% right. He might very well be completely wrong. The only thing I'm saying is that, if it does not have party scaling I will not buy it. And if it does have party scaling I will buy it. It's really that simple.

I'm simply trying to let the devs know that party scaling is, for me personally, an absolute must to enjoy their game. That's all.

[Zouls]

Originally posted by Satyricon42:

Originally posted by Boltergeist:

This simply is absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ wrong

As always, skillup got a basic fact wrong because he read some material and then dropped presumptions

PCF also says CT15 is for group play yet people solo gold eots

like literally here a new build doing it at at 30

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dpFZC6ItppQ

My source: several beta players who soloed up to at30+

Ok, then I will wait and see the player reviews that are bound to come after launch. I'm not saying Skillup is 100% right. He might very well be completely wrong. The only thing I'm saying is that, if it does not have party scaling I will not buy it. And if it does have party scaling I will buy it. It's really that simple.

I'm simply trying to let the devs know that party scaling is, for me personally, an absolute must to enjoy their game. That's all.

Wait until tommorow and check out streams i guess? Sounds weird if it doesnt, but it would make sense to be cautious of making it too easy for solo players since that is what happened in original endgame.

[Peredur]

Originally posted by Satyricon42:

Skillup mentioned that in the review manual he got from the Outriders devs it is mentioned the expansion content does not scale according to party size.

It says:

The Trial of Tarya Gratar works a little bit different than the rest of the game - it's balanced for three players and doesn't scale down for single players or duos in quite the same way the campaign does, and is not intended to be soloable at the highest Apocalypse Tiers.
You can solo in the endgame if you want, but not at the higher difficulties (unless you become immensely powerful and skilled).

It doesn't scale down the same way, but it doesn't mean it doesn't scale down at all.
And Apocalypse Tiers are quite different than World and Challenge Tiers, with more stats being modified and even more the more you progress (with malus to leech, to status power, etc making the challenge even harder for solo players or teams that build too much the same way).

[QueazyCorpse]

Originally posted by Satyricon42:

Originally posted by QueazyCorpse:

I'm not sure what you are talking about as the story as well as the expeditions party scale. They have from the start they just don't do it in the same way.

That's the base game you;re talking about. That does indeed scale according to party size.

Skillup mentioned that, in the review manual he got from the Outriders devs, it is mentioned the expansion content does not scale according to party size.

I know the base game is soloable all the way through. You really do not have to tell me that. I'm talking about the expansion, just like Skillup does. There's a distinction here. The base game does scale according to party size, and the expanion (according to the review manual he received from the Outriders devs) does not scale according to party size.

He mentions that very cleary. He was not talking about the base game. He was talking about the expansion. If this ends up being a mistake on his part then I will buy the expansion. If he's right, though, I will not buy the expansion.

Ah, I have not followed much about the expansion and never thought the DLC scaling would be different from base game. As a solo player this has me a bit concerned.

[MeGa]

Solo concerns intensify xd

[Satyricon42]

Originally posted by Zouls:

Originally posted by Satyricon42:

Ok, then I will wait and see the player reviews that are bound to come after launch. I'm not saying Skillup is 100% right. He might very well be completely wrong. The only thing I'm saying is that, if it does not have party scaling I will not buy it. And if it does have party scaling I will buy it. It's really that simple.

I'm simply trying to let the devs know that party scaling is, for me personally, an absolute must to enjoy their game. That's all.

Wait until tommorow and check out streams i guess? Sounds weird if it doesnt, but it would make sense to be cautious of making it too easy for solo players since that is what happened in original endgame.

Exactly this. The timer was a huge turn off for me. I took a long break after playing through the story with different classes and builds a few times. When they finally removed the timer in the New Horizons update I hopped right back in and had a lot of fun with it. I don't mind the repetitive nature of the endgame.

But the fact it took them so long to remove the timer, something a lot of people comlained about, and even drove a lot of people away from the game, does have me worried about how they might handle the endgame.

Again, I will wait and see. I really do enjoy Outriders and I certainly hope I'll be able to enjoy the expansion aswell.

[Satyricon42]

Originally posted by Peredur:

Originally posted by Satyricon42:

Skillup mentioned that in the review manual he got from the Outriders devs it is mentioned the expansion content does not scale according to party size.

It says:

The Trial of Tarya Gratar works a little bit different than the rest of the game - it's balanced for three players and doesn't scale down for single players or duos in quite the same way the campaign does, and is not intended to be soloable at the highest Apocalypse Tiers.
You can solo in the endgame if you want, but not at the higher difficulties (unless you become immensely powerful and skilled).

It doesn't scale down the same way, but it doesn't mean it doesn't scale down at all.
And Apocalypse Tiers are quite different than World and Challenge Tiers, with more stats being modified and even more the more you progress (with malus to leech, to status power, etc making the challenge even harder for solo players or teams that build too much the same way).

Thanks for the information. That does sound less concerning. I don't mind some rogue-lite elements in ARPGs and looter shooters.

[Satyricon42]

Originally posted by Zouls:

Originally posted by Satyricon42:

Ok, then I will wait and see the player reviews that are bound to come after launch. I'm not saying Skillup is 100% right. He might very well be completely wrong. The only thing I'm saying is that, if it does not have party scaling I will not buy it. And if it does have party scaling I will buy it. It's really that simple.

I'm simply trying to let the devs know that party scaling is, for me personally, an absolute must to enjoy their game. That's all.

Wait until tommorow and check out streams i guess? Sounds weird if it doesnt, but it would make sense to be cautious of making it too easy for solo players since that is what happened in original endgame.

That's exactly what I'll do. Fingers crossed for a good outcome. I really like Outriders and was looking forward to the expansion.

[bloody-nine]

curious if current "endgame" scale applies to duos. was speaking to a mate last time we played and recently. The awkwardness of dealing with all the crap on the screen always felt as if it played better solo or in a team of three.

[sajet1]

+1

[capiVara]

Same, this alone is a deal breaker. I ran so many expeditions alone and the bullet sponginess is bad enough as is that way (especially if you don't play one of the few meta glass cannon builds), getting enemies with hitpoints meant for 3 players to focus fire will be a nightmarish slog playing alone.

[Nero]

played beta. it scales. The end.