MASSIVE Changes For W5's Setting!

[GrandMajora]

Been doing a bit of research into 5th edition Werewolf, and according to what I've discovered, it seems that W5 is actually NOT a continuation of previous editions. Indeed, the books themselves tell you flat out that W5 is a total reboot to the setting, with its lore having been rewritten to suit the new narrative.

The Garou Nation has failed, Gaia is dead, the Wyrm is winning, the Apocalypse is happening as we speak. While in the midst of all this chaos, the Werewolves are running around like chickens with their heads cut off, desperately trying anything they can think off to stem the tide.

For those who want a more in depth explanation about what is currently happening with the state of W5, I've found the following video to be most informative. Just skip to about 6 minutes in, if you don't wanna sit through the introduction part.

https://youtu.be/15tCou7O4yg?si=l1Yw1YhxTU3yblxc

[GrandMajora]

Arr, so nobody cares about W5, then?

[Rayisken]

5th is hot garbage and written by people who hate the legacy game

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Rayisken:

5th is hot garbage and written by people who hate the legacy game

Yes, I did seem to get that impression after researching both V5 and W5.

[GriffinPilgrim]

Well, thankfully this game is not set in W5. We can tell that right off, as Cahal is Fianna not a "Hart Warden."
There certain was room for improvement in Werewolf W5 managed to miss almost all of the things that needed improving, instead fixing what wasn't broken.
The only thing I agree with was renaming the Wendigo. That name really was culturally insensitive. In a way Fianna certainly wasn't.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by GriffinPilgrim:

Well, thankfully this game is not set in W5. We can tell that right off, as Cahal is Fianna not a "Hart Warden."
There certain was room for improvement in Werewolf W5 managed to miss almost all of the things that needed improving, instead fixing what wasn't broken.
The only thing I agree with was renaming the Wendigo. That name really was culturally insensitive. In a way Fianna certainly wasn't.

Based on what I've seen from gameplay, Cahal is way too stern and mopey to be a Fianna. The tribe is supposed to be full of hard drinking party animals.

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Also, why the hell is mentioning the Windego considered to be culturally insensitive to these people? They don't revere the Windego as a symbol of respect, they view it as a cautionary tale against the taboo of cannibalism.

Which the Windego tribe actually do engage in, by ritualistically consuming the flesh of their enemies!

[GriffinPilgrim]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by GriffinPilgrim:

Well, thankfully this game is not set in W5. We can tell that right off, as Cahal is Fianna not a "Hart Warden."
There certain was room for improvement in Werewolf W5 managed to miss almost all of the things that needed improving, instead fixing what wasn't broken.
The only thing I agree with was renaming the Wendigo. That name really was culturally insensitive. In a way Fianna certainly wasn't.

Based on what I've seen from gameplay, Cahal is way too stern and mopey to be a Fianna. The tribe is supposed to be full of hard drinking party animals.

Not everyone in a tribe fits the stereotype. Would be boring if they did. And he does gain Rage by drinking whiskey...

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Also, why the hell is mentioning the Windego considered to be culturally insensitive to these people? They don't revere the Windego as a symbol of respect, they view it as a cautionary tale against the taboo of cannibalism.

Which the Windego tribe actually do engage in, by ritualistically consuming the flesh of their enemies!

Because among the First Nation peoples that have the Wendigo as part of their culture it is considered taboo to even say the name, as mentioning it makes it stronger. So the idea of an indigenous group literally calling themselves that is culturally insensitive in a way the other tribe names (including the other First Nation Garou tribes' names) are not.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by GriffinPilgrim:

it is considered taboo to even say the name, as mentioning it makes it stronger.

Okay, now that actually makes a decent argument.

Kind of like if you went around the Wizarding World saying "Voldemort" in public every 5 minutes.

[GriffinPilgrim]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by GriffinPilgrim:

it is considered taboo to even say the name, as mentioning it makes it stronger.

Okay, now that actually makes a decent argument.

Kind of like if you went around the Wizarding World saying "Voldemort" in public every 5 minutes.

Yeah, exactly.
There was no real need as far as I can see to rename the Uktena mind you. Sure, the Uktena is a monster but 1. The Garou are monster reinterpreted as heroes (ish) so why not and 2. Fenris, the Bunyip and the Furies are monsters too but those tribes weren't renamed.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by GriffinPilgrim:

Yeah, exactly.
There was no real need as far as I can see to rename the Uktena mind you. Sure, the Uktena is a monster but 1. The Garou are monster reinterpreted as heroes (ish) so why not and 2. Fenris, the Bunyip and the Furies are monsters too but those tribes weren't renamed.

Fenrir wasn't actually a monster. By his own admission, he was perfectly willing to become friends with the Nordic gods, up until the moment when they tricked him.

And they did this, because Odin, in his infinite wisdom, had a bad dream about a giant wolf eating people and decided that it must be a prophecy regarding Fenrir.

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Of course, that's just the real life mythology, while it's presentation in WoD is something else entirely.

[GriffinPilgrim]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by GriffinPilgrim:

Yeah, exactly.
There was no real need as far as I can see to rename the Uktena mind you. Sure, the Uktena is a monster but 1. The Garou are monster reinterpreted as heroes (ish) so why not and 2. Fenris, the Bunyip and the Furies are monsters too but those tribes weren't renamed.

Fenrir wasn't actually a monster. By his own admission, he was perfectly willing to become friends with the Nordic gods, up until the moment when they tricked him.

And they did this, because Odin, in his infinite wisdom, had a bad dream about a giant wolf eating people and decided that it must be a prophecy regarding Fenrir.

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Of course, that's just the real life mythology, while it's presentation in WoD is something else entirely.

He's still a monster, he's just a monster with a sympathetic backstory.