The story is very obvious

[Chiramu]

People kept saying, "you obviously haven't finished the game" but the story is so obvious you don't need to finish the game to know where it's headed.

Please just let me romance Eric, the protagonist is such an A-Hole and I don't like how rude they are towards Eric. He looks pretty cute and sexy from my POV .

[Poison Cackler]

We have the same idea. I think I'm only half-way through, and he is my favorite.

Even the nicest replies to him seem kinda ♥♥♥♥♥♥, but he is totally supposed to be the/one of the villain/s, so I guess the writers are giving us none-too-subtle hints or something.

...I wish the replies, in general, were like "early"(not now, God no!!) Bioware games. Where you could, with the right dialoge choices, play anyone you wanted to be.

Now in games you seem to be restricted to: Slutty, Stupid(nice), or Mean, with NOTHING in between.

[LaChouette]

So because he's sexy and cute, you're willing to overlook the stalking, the fact that he butts in on a lot of your dates to try and stop you, as well as his belief that weapon people are an inferior race to regular humans?

[Chiramu]

Originally posted by LaChouette:

So because he's sexy and cute, you're willing to overlook the stalking, the fact that he butts in on a lot of your dates to try and stop you, as well as his belief that weapon people are an inferior race to regular humans?

I don't have a problem with seeing him where he is, if anything the blame is still on the protagonist for just making dates all over the place straight after his. The protagonist is such a thoughtless and a horrible person.

BTW you are thinking about him from what you learn in the end and not how it is when you first meet him and know nothing about anything going on. It's unfair to treat someone badly because of "what might" happen. For example, the story would play out entirely differently if the Protagonist was kind and thoughtful of Eric ❤.

EDIT: I also ask you how you would feel if you had a date with someone, they treat you like trash straight afterwards and have about fifty dates with fifty other people straight afterwards. Not so nice when you think of the Protagonist's actions like that is it? I would call the Protagonist a C-word, but that word is too rude for me to say or spell out. But the Protagonist is a right C-word.

[LaChouette]

The protagonist, iirc, only starts treating Eric like trash after going to his store. In that event, Eric clearly shows what he thinks of weapon people. After your first date, you're allowed to pick nice comments.

[Lilael]

I think romanticizing Eric is unhealthy and puts yourself at risk of abuse in your own real relationships if you ignore all the harmful things the character does to glorify him and blame yourself.

Eric’s first two interactions aren’t too bad. It’s when he starts calling your family members losers, putting you in a pedestal, trying to isolate you from others, stalks you, is verbally abusive to your friends, racial prejudice, abduction & physical maiming of others (Isaac said he would notify the authorities - what Eric is doing is a crime), and physically aggressive towards animals that all escalates to him clearly having significant issues.

You go on one blind date with a guy your cousin set up. Doesn’t means he owns you and can abuse you/others to try and claim you.

Am I suprised people like Eric? No. People end up in abusive relationships and overlook their own partner’s racism/abuse all the time. People write love letters to serial killers in real life. Cults exist.
But I don’t think BD will ever signal Eric as he is as okay - that game puts a clear boundary on the harmful relationship and if anything should be a lesson.

[Chiramu]

Originally posted by LaChouette:

The protagonist, iirc, only starts treating Eric like trash after going to his store. In that event, Eric clearly shows what he thinks of weapon people. After your first date, you're allowed to pick nice comments.

The Protagonist treats him like trash on the second encounter which is an arsehole thing to do, imo and from my pov Eric still has don't NOTHING to give the Protagonist cause for this...

Also even if Eric did do something wrong on that first encounter, it is STILL an awful and horrible thing to do to treat someone badly for ONE thing and you don't even TALK to them about it!

[Chiramu]

Originally posted by Lilael:

I think romanticizing Eric is unhealthy and puts yourself at risk of abuse in your own real relationships if you ignore all the harmful things the character does to glorify him and blame yourself.

Eric’s first two interactions aren’t too bad. It’s when he starts calling your family members losers, putting you in a pedestal, trying to isolate you from others, stalks you, is verbally abusive to your friends, racial prejudice, abduction & physical maiming of others (Isaac said he would notify the authorities - what Eric is doing is a crime), and physically aggressive towards animals that all escalates to him clearly having significant issues.

You go on one blind date with a guy your cousin set up. Doesn’t means he owns you and can abuse you/others to try and claim you.

Am I suprised people like Eric? No. People end up in abusive relationships and overlook their own partner’s racism/abuse all the time. People write love letters to serial killers in real life. Cults exist.
But I don’t think BD will ever signal Eric as he is as okay - that game puts a clear boundary on the harmful relationship and if anything should be a lesson.

Romancing Eric would be more healthy, especially for him. You still have to deal with the boss at the end but he would get a happier ending and he would not be a stalker...

[Finvaara]

Eric is intentionally designed to display unhealthy tendencies and offers only an unhealthy relationship like the ones he has had in the past. He hasn't been treating people as if they were people, and you're meant to recognize that and be repulsed, but if you aren't repulsed, oh well.

The part where he kidnaps and mutilates people in an attempt to create the perfect mindless slave to satisfy his fetish for power is a pretty big deal, and that's something that starts before he ever meets the protagonist. He has already kidnapped and hurt multiple people before you ever say a kind or unkind word to him.

The best possible outcome for Eric is recognizing that he needs help and going to therapy. The worst possible outcome for Eric would be dating the protagonist as he was, without realizing why his relationships kept failing, leaving him even more frustrated, and hurting even more people, perpetuating the cycle of damage further.

[Starwyvern]

Chiramu, I'm not sure why you're trying to hard to defend a fictional character from fictional harassment, but at this point I'd recommend giving fanfic writing a try and have him be treated the way you want him to be treated there. I mean this in only the kindest way possible, as that's one of my main hobbies.

[Chiramu]

Originally posted by Finvaara:

Eric is intentionally designed to display unhealthy tendencies and offers only an unhealthy relationship like the ones he has had in the past. He hasn't been treating people as if they were people, and you're meant to recognize that and be repulsed, but if you aren't repulsed, oh well.

The part where he kidnaps and mutilates people in an attempt to create the perfect mindless slave to satisfy his fetish for power is a pretty big deal, and that's something that starts before he ever meets the protagonist. He has already kidnapped and hurt multiple people before you ever say a kind or unkind word to him.

The best possible outcome for Eric is recognizing that he needs help and going to therapy. The worst possible outcome for Eric would be dating the protagonist as he was, without realizing why his relationships kept failing, leaving him even more frustrated, and hurting even more people, perpetuating the cycle of damage further.

And I'm talking about our Protagonist as being a horrible person towards him, imagine how he could learn a proper relationship while engaging with someone who treats him with kindness instead of the hostility that is directed at him during the whole game and prior.

[Chiramu]

Originally posted by Starwyvern:

Chiramu, I'm not sure why you're trying to hard to defend a fictional character from fictional harassment, but at this point I'd recommend giving fanfic writing a try and have him be treated the way you want him to be treated there. I mean this in only the kindest way possible, as that's one of my main hobbies.

And why do you hate a fictional character? I an defending him because it is completely unfair with how people think of him, and we can't even see how he would be if our character was kind and thoughtful.

I personally think that the Protagonist should NEVER EVER be allowed in a relationship because of their treatment of Eric. They are HORRIBLE towards him.

[Lilael]

Dating Eric is not healthy for the MC or Eric because Eric would still be a stalker, abductor, physical abuser, etc.
He'd just be a stalker, abductor, physical abuser, etc. with a girlfriend/boyfriend/partner.

MC is not the cause of Eric's attitudes/behavior. Nor would loving him prevent him from obsessing over racial hygiene, abducting people, etc. as Eric does these abusive/criminal things prior to MC arriving in Verona Beach (that's the reason you find a chipped weapon trapped in the dunj on your first meeting with Isaac).

And "if I loved him more he wouldn't have hurt me or other people," is not the take you think it is.

[Chiramu]

Originally posted by Lilael:

Dating Eric is not healthy for the MC or Eric because Eric would still be a stalker, abductor, physical abuser, etc.
He'd just be a stalker, abductor, physical abuser, etc. with a girlfriend/boyfriend/partner.

MC is not the cause of Eric's attitudes/behavior. Nor would loving him prevent him from obsessing over racial hygiene, abducting people, etc. as Eric does these abusive/criminal things prior to MC arriving in Verona Beach (that's the reason you find a chipped weapon trapped in the dunj on your first meeting with Isaac).

And "if I loved him more he wouldn't have hurt me or other people," is not the take you think it is.

Yes he did abduct them, but romancing him teaches him a better way at looking at the world and give him acceptance. He is desperately looking for someone to love and accept him, if you romance him he learns that and he will have a happier ending.

I'm not just asking for a romance, I'm also asking for our Protagonist to not be a POS and treat people with kindness! Even if you don't romance Eric, just treating him with kindness is all the Protagonist needs to do regardless of what he did.