Who is the ommissiah?

[Ederth]

Am I confused, by any chance Ommissiah and the Emperor of Humanity are the same entity? Or are they separate entities?

[Kane]

Its the machine god. According to 3 seconds of Googling: ''The Machine God, also known as the Omnissiah or Deus Mechanicus, is the supernatural entity worshipped by the tech-priests and other servants of the Adeptus Mechanicus''

[Ederth]

Originally posted by Kane:

Its the machine god. According to 3 seconds of Googling: ''The Machine God, also known as the Omnissiah or Deus Mechanicus, is the supernatural entity worshipped by the tech-priests and other servants of the Adeptus Mechanicus''

Yeah but i google it and i got this: https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Machine_God

As you can see in the text: "The Cult Mechanicus, the religious hierarchy of the Adeptus Mechanicus that upholds the worship of the Machine God, believes knowledge to be the manifestation of divinity, and holds that anything embodying or containing knowledge is holy because of it.

The supreme object of devotion is therefore the Machine God, an immanent, omniscient and omnipotent deity that governs all machinery and knowledge in the universe.

Generally, this deity is held by orthodox believers to be an aspect of the God-Emperor of Mankind in the form of the Omnissiah. The Omnissiah, the physical avatar of the Machine God in the universe, is believed to be friendly to Humanity as His chosen people, and to be the originator of all Human technological and scientific knowledge."

So I wanted to see if there was any update in the lore with respect to this. Even because I'm playing Darktide currently, and la we play with the Astra Militarium while we are guided by a Mechanicus adept and it seems by the dialogues that both the "humans" and the "mechanicus" just call the Emperor by different names

[cinless]

The official stance of the Cult Mechanicus is that the Emperor is the Omnissiah, unofficially they're a lot more squirrely on the subject.
The explanation of what exactly the alternative might be is pretty complicated, I'd recommend going on your own wiki dive if you really want to get into it.

[Rootin']

Basically the Mechnicus follow a similar creed to Christianity's trinity. There is the father, know as "The machine God" or "The Great Maker." the equivalent to the holy spirit is "The motive force" which represents both electricity and souls, the animating factors of machines and men respectively. And the last, the son, is a prophecy that the emperor *may* have planted into the mechanicus' theology through psy-op. Basically that the Machine God would take human form as a God of machines incarnate, and be known as the Omnissiah. And the description perfectly, "coincidentally," fits the emperor to a T. so they worship him as their god made flesh.

[crypticmetaphor]

real talk? its an old alien warping their minds for generations. filling their dreams with inventions and twisted steel. A lot of compromises were made between the emperor and the ad mech to make things work, but he needed their forges sooo

[Rootin']

Originally posted by Dong Johnson:

real talk? its an old alien warping their minds for generations. filling their dreams with inventions and twisted steel. A lot of compromises were made between the emperor and the ad mech to make things work, but he needed their forges sooo

No, the Void dragon instilled the idea of the Machine God, and its fair to say it *is* the Machine God. but is not *the Omnissiah* as that Omnissiah is the machine God made human. And The C'tan are CERTAINLY not human.

[crypticmetaphor]

i posit that the omnissiah would not be worshipped without the existence of the void dragon

[Rootin']

Originally posted by Dong Johnson:

i posit that the omnissiah would not be worshipped without the existence of the void dragon

thats an entirely irrelevant "Posit." of course there wouldn't be an omnissiah without a machine cult.

[crypticmetaphor]

pretty relevant when most 40k wiki suggest the void dragon is the machine spirit

you should be less aggro and read more of the lore before you shoot stuff down

[crypticmetaphor]

entire ad mech system of worship paralells the holy trinity, they are all one and the same

[Rootin']

Originally posted by Dong Johnson:

entire ad mech system of worship paralells the holy trinity, they are all one and the same

a critical component of the trinity is that they are also seperate, as much as they are the same.

[crypticmetaphor]

without the corrupting influence of the void dragon, NONE of them would exist in the mind of anyone in the Imperium. Read Mechanicus, it is absolutely clear on that fact.

[Rootin']

Originally posted by Dong Johnson:

without the corrupting influence of the void dragon, NONE of them would exist in the mind of anyone in the Imperium. Read Mechanicus, it is absolutely clear on that fact.

yes, but again, that is entirely beside the point.

[crypticmetaphor]

its relevant when my point is the void dragon inspired the old ad mech cults and big E took advantage to make them think he was their machine spirits physical embodiment, the omnissiah. thats how the books play out, at least.

[crypticmetaphor]

so the question "who is the omnissiah" needs the perspective and understanding that there is deception and murky water involved in any answer to that question