Warhammer 40,000: Mechanicus

Warhammer 40,000: Mechanicus

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Dorque Nov 17, 2018 @ 6:33pm
So do the devs actually know what a gauss rifle is?
Because the effect of the basic necron gun is just bizarre. It's a modulating green beam that lasts a full second in game. In real life it's a slug thrower.

"But I'm a fanboy and think it is perfect and you are a jerk head for complaining."

A cool gauss effect could still be made that was physically correct. People who don't know what gauss means are fine either way. But deliberately making a random green pulse laser effect is just lazy.

Do better art.
Originally posted by Belsamuel:
From the Warhammer Wiki... just so you know that it was depicted true to lore.

"Gauss Weapons are a form of exotic energy weapon used exclusively by the ancient and extremely powerful xenos species called Necrons. These weapons destroy the enemy by firing a green-tinged blast of lightning-like energy that shears apart the target's atomic bonds, literally stripping their bodies apart atom by atom and molecule by molecule."

"At their most basic level, Gauss Weapons can be described as linear induction motors. When fired, they appear to produce focussed bipolar magnetic fields so that anything the weapon is targeted at, such as a human body, will be "pulled" (at the sub-atomic level) towards the gun..."

Also, a Gauss Rifle is called such because it uses a gauss powered linear motor to accelerate a ferromagnetic projectile (fun fact, a gauss rifle isn't a rifle since the barrel isn't rifled). A Necron Gauss Flayer... a beam of focused bipolar magnetic fields using a gauss powered linear induction motor... see the connection?
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Fireflies Nov 17, 2018 @ 11:26pm 
Gauss is the method of equations system solving. The cannon that you call gauss is a railgun. Necrons decided a system of equations. Cannons are shoot. And it has nothing to do with a railgun. Relax.
NerdExtrodinare Nov 17, 2018 @ 11:57pm 
Open mouth insert foot.
Fireflies Nov 18, 2018 @ 12:07am 
:steamhappy:))
Gared Nov 18, 2018 @ 12:27am 
Popularly known as "gauss rifle", or more accurately a coilgun - is an accelerator of matter through coils to high velocity.

I wouldn't say "it's a GW thing", I'd say it's pretty accurate, apart from the fact that Necrons utilize different accelerations and energies to do that

It may not necessarily be slugs - it's just one of the implementations of the coilgun.
In theory, you can accelerate almost anything in such a way. It's just that currently it's nigh impossible to make a few of those ideas come to life, but there are some instances of controlling particles (namely, plasma) in confined coil encased devices

If you want to learn more, find JET (Joint European Torus) and Tokamak articles on wikipedia.

To others I'd advise not to attack someone who is oblivious or lacking knowledge of something.
We've all been there, but there is bliss in learning more

OP wondered and pondered the question
He posted, to get an answer

Don't degrade yourselves
Last edited by Gared; Nov 18, 2018 @ 12:31am
Tryhardosaurus Nov 18, 2018 @ 12:36am 
Originally posted by Partisan:
Originally posted by Dorque:
Because the effect of the basic necron gun is just bizarre. It's a modulating green beam that lasts a full second in game. In real life it's a slug thrower.

"But I'm a fanboy and think it is perfect and you are a jerk head for complaining."

A cool gauss effect could still be made that was physically correct. People who don't know what gauss means are fine either way. But deliberately making a random green pulse laser effect is just lazy.

Do better art.

Boy, oh boy that was a textbook example of sounding like a complete gobshite whilst not knowing what you are talking about. Bravo, you made a complete ass out of yourself and everyone saw it.

lol

I would have worded it a bit differently, but this ;)
WhyNotZoidberg Nov 18, 2018 @ 12:44am 
"Do better art"

And that happens when you talk about something that you know literally nothing of.

That's exactly how necron weapons look. Just because "Gauss rifle" means something in our world, does not mean it's supposed to be the same in a sci-fi-fantasy world.

Necron weapons always looked that way and most likely always will look that way.

Maybe you should do a miniscule amount of research about the universe before complaining and sounding... well, like you.
Imperator Nov 18, 2018 @ 1:04am 
A necron gauss weapon is not a railgun. It can be best compared to Star Wars o Klingon Disruptors, though with the added capability of ignoring any and all armour, or to the Imperium's power weapons that use disruptor fields and do the same, but only in melee.

It breaks down the bonds between atoms and molecules and is extremely deadly.

The only complaint one could make is that most targets tend to instantly die to a Gauss Flayer hit, reduced to nothing.
Galactic Origins Nov 18, 2018 @ 2:02am 
um, as far as I know there is no 'real life' gauss rifle
not based on Gauss' s science anyway
Gared Nov 18, 2018 @ 2:04am 
Originally posted by Galactic Origins:
um, as far as I know there is no 'real life' gauss rifle
not based on Gauss' s science anyway

I've already posted what I know about it

Look up 'coilgun'

It exists, it's just the technology doesn't allow us high-energy acceleration yet

They are already mounting "gauss artillery" on ships
Last edited by Gared; Nov 18, 2018 @ 2:05am
Galactic Origins Nov 18, 2018 @ 2:05am 
not hand held anyway
and besides, this is 40k, a game designed in the 80's
Galactic Origins Nov 18, 2018 @ 2:06am 
if it does not have acceleration than it is design only, as always. no such useful tool in the armory.
Gared Nov 18, 2018 @ 2:06am 
Originally posted by Galactic Origins:
not hand held anyway
and besides, this is 40k, a game designed in the 80's

True

But, like you said, it's 40k

Computers with power less than smartphone were enormous
Who knows what future holds for us in several thousand years?
Arathian Nov 18, 2018 @ 2:27am 
Originally posted by Arkendight:
Originally posted by Galactic Origins:
um, as far as I know there is no 'real life' gauss rifle
not based on Gauss' s science anyway

I've already posted what I know about it

Look up 'coilgun'

It exists, it's just the technology doesn't allow us high-energy acceleration yet

They are already mounting "gauss artillery" on ships


So gauss, coil and railguns are all the same things?

But yeah they MIGHT be using the word wrong, but the dipiction is dead on. Necron weapons are almost exactly like the war of the world's alien rays. They are disintegrator beams.
WhyNotZoidberg Nov 18, 2018 @ 2:44am 
Originally posted by Arathian:
Originally posted by Arkendight:

I've already posted what I know about it

Look up 'coilgun'

It exists, it's just the technology doesn't allow us high-energy acceleration yet

They are already mounting "gauss artillery" on ships


So gauss, coil and railguns are all the same things?

But yeah they MIGHT be using the word wrong, but the dipiction is dead on. Necron weapons are almost exactly like the war of the world's alien rays. They are disintegrator beams.

In the wh40k universe, the necrons' weapons are called gauss guns and produce an eery green energy pulse. Nothing to do with our definition of gauss weapons. The devs did not use the word wrong, they just stuck to the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ universe as created by GW. The amount of people not getting this but trying to sound smart is too damn high.
Avenger93 Nov 18, 2018 @ 1:15pm 
Originally posted by Dorque:
Because the effect of the basic necron gun is just bizarre. It's a modulating green beam that lasts a full second in game. In real life it's a slug thrower.

"But I'm a fanboy and think it is perfect and you are a jerk head for complaining."

A cool gauss effect could still be made that was physically correct. People who don't know what gauss means are fine either way. But deliberately making a random green pulse laser effect is just lazy.

Do better art.

and this is a text-bbok example of why youtube science is a bad thing ...

First of all: stop using gauss rifle. Rifle is a clearly defined term with some rather strict requiered characteristics to qualify, chief among them being FIREarm (meaning the projectile is propeled via explosive discharge of a propelant) and RIFLED barrel (meaning long guiding tube for the projectile to travel through for precision with helical pattern grooves), both of which any device using magnetic forces to proppel a solid slug would not utilize. Strike one for pedantic ♥♥♥♥ using wrong terms.

Secondly: well well ... it's a good thing the necrons don't use a gauss "rifle" then is it? They use Gauss flayers. Which in principle of operation direct a powerful magnetic field at a target with the intent to destabilize molecular bonds and "flay" the target appart at a molecular level. Portrayed here as arcs of green energy hitting a target. Gee, it's almost like ... there's nothing wrong with the current portrayal and "making better art" to represent a coi or rail gun equivalent would be supremely dumb! Consult your local blueberry space communist (also known as Tau to the heretical ilk that embraces their world-view) for depictions of such technology.

Thirdly: Gauss as a nomenclature refers to an outdated unit of meassurement of the magnetic flux density or "magnetic induction". As a short-hand in sci-fi, it refers to weapons using magnetic forces to inflict damage directly (as opposed to plasma guns which use magnetic forces to contain and accelerate plasma). A Gauss Flayer as a concept in a SF universe respects the basic principles and "logic" behind how one could weaponize physics to their advantage and their portrayal is, if nothing else, accurate until we can get an IRL version of one, if that is ever possible.

Fun trivia: the Gauss, as a unit of measurement, was replaced by the Tesla, which is also used to describe another category of necron guns, this time literal lightning guns that shoot ... well ... arcs of electrical energy at their targets, named so because Tesla actualy tried making them IRL and SF authors are forever thankful to him for the idea. But if you want to use modern physics IS units to name weapons based on their related physics principle, the Gauss Flayer should be the Tesla Flayer. Which invokes a different kind of image in one's mind but whatever ...
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