Remove Denuvo and I will buy

[min3r95]

Finished the game on Gamepass, could had bought this on Steam last month if it wasn't for the parasite.
Nope, I'm talking the Denuvo Anti-tamper not the Anti-Cheat since the store doesn't show it using the later (but seriously both are cancers).

[neock]

Originally posted by Mistwalker Mayakii:

From what I've gathered, the most popular argument against this technology is the performance impact, but the game is quite well optimized. Not sure why we are following this odd trend when it doesn't really matter?

one game being optimized with denovo in it dont mean all, or even most games are. that parasite software drops you to around 40% performance for nothing... its ment to stop pirated copies, but the thing is, denovo can be removed from a pirated game faster than it takes to reupload the copy after. you literaly take 60% performance drop for a failed attempt, and the devs loose massive sales because most people dont want to deal with that kind of hit. all it does is encourage people TO torrent the game... and if the game runs fine at 40% of its capability, imagen what it would be like at 100%

[neock]

Originally posted by CrunchyDaz:

Originally posted by min3r95:

The forced online activation and limited machines activation are nonsenses, you paid for the games, you're supposed to download and play it without anyone else's consent. Denuvo take that freedom away, it actually stop you from launching the games you paid for if it can't connect itself to the Denuvo server, so I won't pay more than 10$ for any game that use it, even less if they're indies.
FYI this "activation" will be break over time or if there's any change to your hardwares, update/reinstall driver or operating system,switching Proton(Linux).
Edit: Consider how it work there're concerns about how it hurt preservation too.

Oh just FYI, you don't own your games. Did you really think you own the games in your Steam Library? You don't. Valve does, and they even say so in the agreement you agreed to when you made your Steam account. They can literally wipe your library and ban your account for nothing other then the laughs if they so choose.

not true. if they dont have a reason thats valid in court, they can still be sued for theft of servaces. learn the law bud. a contract isnt valid if the content of said contract break the law.

[min3r95]

Originally posted by CrunchyDaz:

Have fun not playing games you want to play because the internet told you to hate something you can't even tell is in there. I mean, you'd have 1:1 the same experience with or without Denuvo but whatever, gotta follow the mindless parrots online right?

I hope you eventually find the irony in saying you won't play it because of DRM, then go and play it through a system that has even worse DRM then Denuvo. Good job.

I'm not dislike Denuvo because the internet told me to, it's because of the reason you quoted in your comment below, which was not focus on performance, and it's not mindless.
Denuvo won't make me not want to play a videogame, but will make me not want to buy the game. I only played the game through Gamepass, not paid to keep it.

Originally posted by CrunchyDaz:

Originally posted by min3r95:

The forced online activation and limited machines activation are nonsenses, you paid for the games, you're supposed to download and play it without anyone else's consent. Denuvo take that freedom away, it actually stop you from launching the games you paid for if it can't connect itself to the Denuvo server, so I won't pay more than 10$ for any game that use it, even less if they're indies.
FYI this "activation" will be break over time or if there's any change to your hardwares, update/reinstall driver or operating system,switching Proton(Linux).
Edit: Consider how it work there're concerns about how it hurt preservation too.

Oh just FYI, you don't own your games. Did you really think you own the games in your Steam Library? You don't. Valve does, and they even say so in the agreement you agreed to when you made your Steam account. They can literally wipe your library and ban your account for nothing other then the laughs if they so choose.

Yes I do think I own the games I paid(or going to pay) for to a point that neither Valve nor the publishers nor anyone have the right to take away my freedom with the products I purchased(or going to).
Just because Valve can ban me or wipe my account at will doesn't make Denuvo any better.

[min3r95]

Originally posted by neock:

one game being optimized with denovo in it dont mean all, or even most games are. that parasite software drops you to around 40% performance for nothing... its ment to stop pirated copies, but the thing is, denovo can be removed from a pirated game faster than it takes to reupload the copy after. you literaly take 60% performance drop for a failed attempt, and the devs loose massive sales because most people dont want to deal with that kind of hit. all it does is encourage people TO torrent the game... and if the game runs fine at 40% of its capability, imagen what it would be like at 100%

This game run very good for me, doesn't have many stutters. However I wouldn't be surprised if they remove Denuvo and then it gain like 20% performance, but I wouldn't be surprised if it not either.
Does Denuvo affect performance or not? Maybe? If yes then how much? We wouldn't know until they remove it. Consider there're many reasons for games to run badly after all.
As for piracy, except for the ones with alot of demands, there're many games that won't ever see a pirated version of themselves, so Denuvo does work in this regard.

[xXMagnusXx]

Originally posted by Mistwalker Mayakii:

From what I've gathered, the most popular argument against this technology is the performance impact, but the game is quite well optimized. Not sure why we are following this odd trend when it doesn't really matter?

It's on principle. Sure, the performance impact may be minor in most cases these days, but the notion that it stops piracy is patently false. It only slows it down. Any determined pirates are more than happy to wait. On average it takes about a year for a Denuvo game to be cracked. And that number has been going down in recent years. Hogwarts was cracked only a week after launch. RE4 was cracked on RELEASE DAY. So its effectiveness even as an anti-piracy measure is coming into question.

Then there's the risk factor of losing access to the game if something unpredictable happens. That is wildly unlikely, but it IS still a risk that we are being forced to swallow.

The only good Denuvo really does is that it looks great at those circle-jerk shareholder meetings. Denuvo may do more harm than good to the product overall, but those 86yo shareholders don't know any better, and the publishers don't care as long as it keeps em happy. (which it does because it provides the illusion of security)

tldr; All denuvo does is make shareholders feel warm and comfy inside while forcing US to incur unnecessary risk at best and poor game performance at worst.

[Atréju]

Same here. The game is already out there. Why keep denovu. I'd buy without

[min3r95]

Originally posted by xXMagnusXx:

It's on principle. Sure, the performance impact may be minor in most cases these days, but the notion that it stops piracy is patently false. It only slows it down. Any determined pirates are more than happy to wait. On average it takes about a year for a Denuvo game to be cracked. And that number has been going down in recent years. Hogwarts was cracked only a week after launch. RE4 was cracked on RELEASE DAY. So its effectiveness even as an anti-piracy measure is coming into question.

Actually there's only one person cracking Denuvo, and they only do it base on demands, RE4 wasn't cracked at launch,it was 3 weeks or so after launch, and there're actually quite a lot of games that have Denuvo that doesn't have a pirated version of themselves yet.
So in away, even though not entirely Denuvo does stop piracy, but does it really boost sales? Should they take the freedom the customers supposed to have with the games they purchased?

Originally posted by Atréju:

Same here. The game is already out there. Why keep denovu. I'd buy without

I hope this is one of those cases where they keep it in the game for 6-12 months then remove it.

[Hamakei]

Wishlisted this game, but until Denuvo is removed it's a hard pass for me. I'd rather pay full price than Summer Sale prices with cancer.

[Mayakii]

Originally posted by Hamakei:

Wishlisted this game, but until Denuvo is removed it's a hard pass for me. I'd rather pay full price than Summer Sale prices with cancer.

Poor take. Going to delay playing a good game AND pay more

[min3r95]

Originally posted by Mistwalker Mayakii:

Poor take. Going to delay playing a good game AND pay more :zaglol:

If you look at his collection of games, it possible he could had bought it day one if it wasn't for DENUVO.

[Mayakii]

Originally posted by min3r95:

If you look at his collection of games, it possible he could had bought it day one if it wasn't for DENUVO.

And that is fine, I just find it silly to not purchase a game (especially one that is on sale) simply because it has a spooky word "Denuvo" in it, while the game runs without any issues.

[lukaself]

Originally posted by Mistwalker Mayakii:

Originally posted by min3r95:

If you look at his collection of games, it possible he could had bought it day one if it wasn't for DENUVO.

And that is fine, I just find it silly to not purchase a game (especially one that is on sale) simply because it has a spooky word "Denuvo" in it, while the game runs without any issues.

Denuvo caused large scale issues and outages such as unplayable games, performance issues and incompatibilities. Add to this the problems it causes with the Steam deck due to limiting hardware switches to 5 a day. It also causes occasional individual issues at random.
You can see it happening on video here: Can't play MH:Rise because of DRM (live in front of 60k viewers)[clips.twitch.tv].

It's nowhere near "without issues".

[Mayakii]

Originally posted by lukaself:

It's nowhere near "without issues".

I am fully aware that Denuvo is a good cause for many problems in various titles, but Atomic Heart is not one of them, so I really do not see the reason to avoid this buying this game.

If it is over principle, then suit yourself

[lukaself]

Originally posted by Mistwalker Mayakii:

Originally posted by lukaself:

It's nowhere near "without issues".

I am fully aware that Denuvo is a good cause for many problems in various titles, but Atomic Heart is not one of them, so I really do not see the reason to avoid this buying this game.

If it is over principle, then suit yourself :atohpioneer:

Atomic Heart got its fair share of codefusion errors and locking Deck users for 24 hours, just the same as the others. These issues are by design and cannot be alleviated by the developers.

The problem with these issues is that the middleware's coders went to great lengths to avoid even mentioning the name "denuvo" when it craps the bed so most people don't even know where to start troubleshooting when it happens or what to report.

[Adidas]

Denuvo didn't impact my performance, and didn't take over my machine. Once i finished the game i uninstalled it and voila. I don't see what the problem is, although I'm personally opposed to techs used in titles such as valorant (which DO mess with the kernel level) - this one does not.