Spoiler Alert: Storyline + Ending

[SpeedWalker]

Hello there guys!

I have just finished the storyline in 44 hours and trust me the story is so good, I did not like the ending, but what matters is how the story was developed from the beginning to have a particular outcome.

I cannot believe that all of this time, Char-Les was the villain of the villains and how Dr Sechenov altered the memory of P-3 and wiped important information from his life.

P-3 all this time was a marionette controlled by Dr Sechenov. Char-Les was killed by Dr Sechenov and his memory was implanted into a device (Sade Glove). The objective of Char-Les was to use P-3 to take vengeance of what Dr Sechenov did to him.

Moreover, Victor was right regarding the plan of Dr Sechenov, but P-3 memory was altered. So, there was not a way to understand it. Poor man.

I felt very sad about what happened to Dr Filatova as she was guiding P-3 to the truth, but seems like she was killed by P-3 inside the lift. This scene reminded me Dying Light 2, where Aiden killed Veronika while he was transformed into a monster by an arrow threw by Waltz.

I really enjoyed the story and the gameplay so far even though, I do not know what Granny Zina would think about Char-Les being the villain after all this time. I cannot wait for the future DLCs. I hope they are story packs.

What are your thoughts?

[SpeedWalker]

I have just found that there is a possibility Elon Musk to be involved in an upcoming DLC for Atomic Heart.

Source: https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/elon-musk-tweeted-atomic-heart-111440338.html

[Korinth]

Isn't the brain damage what altered his memory tho ? he just didn't reminded him about his wife since she was an unconscious brain dead toaster now anyway.

Also i think you misunderstood something, Charles CHOSE to left his weak human flesh behind (as a true Mechanicus adept lol). Doctor Sechenov couldn't accept it and wanted to make him a body but Charles was annoyed by it (you can read IG about that)

That's a thing I liked about the ending, you think Sechenov is the big bad guy, but on his deathbed you realize, he wasn't as bad as you thought (still a little, wife and war robots stuff lol).
There's a theory the two rings which can control the network were marriages rings for you and your wife, you were both his best bodyguards before your wife became a vegetable and you were crisped. He tried to get back your wife (polymer clone of her, robot body), but it didn't worked her mind was gone (in limbo it seems), but he still let her body and her clone body by his sides.

+ I didn't played Dying Light 2 yet don't spoil

[SpeedWalker]

Originally posted by Hahli:

Isn't the brain damage what altered his memory tho ? he just didn't reminded him about his wife since she was an unconscious brain dead toaster now anyway.

Also i think you misunderstood something, Charles CHOSE to left his weak human flesh behind (as a true Mechanicus adept lol). Doctor Sechenov couldn't accept it and wanted to make him a body but Charles was annoyed by it (you can read IG about that)

That's a thing I liked about the ending, you think Sechenov is the big bad guy, but on his deathbed you realize, he wasn't as bad as you thought (still a little, wife and war robots stuff lol).
There's a theory the two rings which can control the network were marriages rings for you and your wife, you were both his best bodyguards before your wife became a vegetable and you were crisped. He tried to get back your wife (polymer clone of her, robot body), but it didn't worked her mind was gone (in limbo it seems), but he still let her body and her clone body by his sides.

+ I didn't played Dying Light 2 yet don't spoil :cleandino:

Oh!! You are right!! He has a brain damaged. So, this was the reason that altered his memory.. I see how it is.. And no.. I do not think Dr Sechenov is the big bad guy. but in my opinion was just a bad guy for lying to P-3 and not reminding him about his wife. Char-Les is the big bad guy who only wanted vengeance against Dr Sechenov and dominate the world.

I really liked the story, gameplay, voice acting, especially the combat.

And sorry.. I had to say that to compare them. If you did not play the game yet, I will recommend it to you.

By the way, I did not understand how Granny Zina knew about Char-Les and I wonder if she really knows his real identity. Therefore, we do not know her thoughts of what happened in the ending, but I hope one of the upcoming DLCs is a continuation of the main storyline.

[Korinth]

They tell you in the artbook Baba Zina is a lieutenant colonel and a communication officer working under Sechenov. Basically she's reponsible of the secret government communications, hence why she knows (almost) everything.

[Mad Hatter]

Maybe it's just because I've seen a similar story told in the past (*cough* Bioshock), but I wasn't surprised by any of the twists. The hints were there the whole time (and I didn't read any of the terminals or listen to any audio logs). I found the plot underwhelming, and the final choice at the end was placed in a frustrating location. I'm not sure why they designed it to play out like that, beyond it being an easy (lazy) way of forcing the player to feel the consequences of their in-game actions.

You should have been able to choose who to side with when you're talking to Sechenov, not before. I know P-3 was written to be mentally deficient, but it doesn't make sense to lock the player into their choice before the final reveal. Were this playing out in real life, P-3 would have obviously been able to change his mind before the final fight. It's not like the promise to Granny was a binding, unbreakable oath.

Gameplay was fun enough. The puzzles were pretty well-done. Combat was engaging. Everything else was lackluster and forgettable, and the devs should stay away from platforming and open worlds.

[SpeedWalker]

Originally posted by Hahli:

They tell you in the artbook Baba Zina, hence why she knows (almost) everything.

I have to read the art book, thanks for letting me know.

I finished Hogwarts Legacy first and trust me. Both games are excellent and completely different, which cannot be compared.

Originally posted by Mad Hatter:

Maybe it's just because I've seen a similar story told in the past (*cough* Bioshock), but I wasn't surprised by any of the twists. The hints were there the whole time (and I didn't read any of the terminals or listen to any audio logs). I found the plot underwhelming, and the final choice at the end was placed in a frustrating location. I'm not sure why they designed it to play out like that, beyond it being an easy (lazy) way of forcing the player to feel the consequences of their in-game actions.

Gameplay was fun enough. The puzzles were pretty well-done. Combat was engaging. Everything else was lackluster and forgettable, and the devs should stay away from platforming and open worlds.

I agree. At first, I was hesitant in what to do once I got the dialogue for the ending on the hill. It was werid. Thankfully, I quickly chose what I believed in that moment, which seems it was the good ending at the end.

I also agree with you regarding how good is the combat and how challenging are the puzzles. I spent 5 hours to figure out how to complete "Deliver the canister to the gate". It was the most challenging puzzle for me.

In my opinion, the best puzzle is the one you have to move some sticks to match the green/red colour.

[Tao314zdin]

I was hoping that endings would be a bit more diverse.

For example they could be influenced by the dialog choices during the game. Like you still get one final decision at the end, but the way how it would play out would depend on the previous choices (or mb even on the info that was heard/seen during the game).

One thing I'm not sure how people decided one ending to be "good" and the other "bad" as they both are rather apocalyptic...

[Korinth]

Originally posted by Tao314zdin:

I was hoping that endings would be a bit more diverse.

For example they could be influenced by the dialog choices during the game. Like you still get one final decision at the end, but the way how it would play out would depend on the previous choices (or mb even on the info that was heard/seen during the game).

One thing I'm not sure how people decided one ending to be "good" and the other "bad" as they both are rather apocalyptic...

They're both bad endings lol
For me it's more like "true ending" (twins fight) and "joke ending GTFO"

[Cellulanus]

For me it really feels like there was supposed to be a secret ending or maybe a continuation.

I'm hoping the DLC that's been promised will cover that.

[Lullaby]

The end seemed kinda rushed in execution as you end up right at the door step of the final boss and just so happened to tear the woman you planned to use as a way to get to Dr Sechenov apart (Could have made the plan of using her as a prisoner work out by having P-3 ask granny zena to come in and fly them up with her whole daughter part in the part inbetween. Plus Killing her didn't benefit anyone since she wasn't a threat to anyones plans.) Felt like it was too stream lined down to fight, betrayal, then end credits. The photo reel portions at the endings where very quick too and should have been longer adding a better picture of what happened.


The logic of why you have to fight Right (Twin) before even talking to Dr Sechenov who then gets magically gets fixed strait after you battle made no sense. It would have been better if they cut the fight out there an added more to the Twins battle and to adding more story context to the ending scenes.

[SpeedWalker]

Originally posted by Lullaby:

The end seemed kinda rushed in execution as you end up right at the door step of the final boss and just so happened to tear the woman you planned to use as a way to get to Dr Sechenov apart (Could have made the plan of using her as a prisoner work out by having P-3 ask granny zena to come in and fly them up with her whole daughter part in the part inbetween. Plus Killing her didn't benefit anyone since she wasn't a threat to anyones plans.) Felt like it was too stream lined down to fight, betrayal, then end credits. The photo reel portions at the endings where very quick too and should have been longer adding a better picture of what happened.


The logic of why you have to fight Right (Twin) before even talking to Dr Sechenov who then gets magically gets fixed strait after you battle made no sense.

Thanks for your comment!!

In my point of view, the ending was not rushed at all as this is the actual outcome from what happened during the storyline. It is either this or that, but certainly it will not end well.

Originally posted by Lullaby:

It would have been better if they cut the fight out there an added more to the Twins battle and to adding more story context to the ending scenes.

I agree that they could add more story content to the ending scenes, but seems like they focused more visually to allow the player to interpret it what happens rather than focusing the narrative.

[Intamin]

Yeah, I was wondering why *Left* was waiting for you in the lobby. The only thing I can think of is that she is there to warn Sechanov of intruders. But she shouldn't have fought you right away, Sechanov TOLD YOU to come back to him and get some R&R...why would he have them fight you if he had called you back?!

Originally posted by Lullaby:

The logic of why you have to fight Right (Twin) before even talking to Dr Sechenov who then gets magically gets fixed strait after you battle made no sense. It would have been better if they cut the fight out there an added more to the Twins battle and to adding more story context to the ending scenes.