Ending, Thoughts? -SPOILER-

[chals]

Whats your guys thoughts about the ending? Either leaving or sticking around to fight. I'd assume sticking around to fight is the true ending and i liked the direction it took maybe just because most games nowdays dont really have bad endings then again i hated it lmfao. For me was a good game but just got this very mixed feeling about the true ending but ofc i did want a good ending for the protagonist.

I'd like to hear what your thoughts are about it.

[SEXTON HAVER]

Sticking around to fight was what I chose

I loved the ending but I think we do have 4 dlc coming up... hopefully they're story related DLCs, I would love to see us push on and hunt down our old friend, As well as see what changes they would do now that the glove is no longer active.

[creatorcray]

Somewhat underwhelming. The choices are between bad and worse.

[Arndell]

My firsrt reaction was:
"Oh, I got the bad ending, the bigger bad guy was my glove all along and the whole game was Charles manipulating me towards this outcomes, similar to Andrew Ryan in Bioshock"

I looked up what would happen if i refused to go fight the twins, and the game just ends there.

So the choices really are just bad or worse.


But after it's settled in for a day, I understand and respect the choice, it makes sense within the narrative, P3 is just a physically butchered half robot with artificial limbs and a reprogrammed mind, he knows nothing about the world except for the ideas that were put there with his true memories being deleted.

He learned the truth and attempted to fix things in his own way, but the other players in the game were simply too many steps ahead of the simple minded soldier.

The constant dialogue developing P3s personality always shows he's a very shallow minded guy, he accepts surface level information that's given to him by his superiors with very little thoughts of his own, he's not "stupid" but his personallity and thought process are just blunt and straight forward and he got played completely by smarter and more manipulative powers.

By the time he accepted some truths to actually decided to go against his orders, it was already too late and even that final act was just there to pull the rug out from under him by Charles.





TL:DR - P3 was a small fish in a lake full of big players, he never stood a chance when it came to the manipulation used on him, In hindsight I respect the stuck with the narrative and didn't pull a fantasy heroic ending,
Maybe DLC, if it's set in post game, will see P3 develop himself independly from Charles and go in with a real plan.

[Arndell]

Originally posted by Shion:

I might have missunderstood the Twin ballerinas ending, but didn't Charles destroyed that One THOUGHT device that was going to control all the others on the Sechenov table? So no Kollektive 2.0 - so a good ending, right?

Charles became an independent being, he formed himself body from polymer and started saying some speech about how the human race is over and this new polymer based consciousness is the future for all living beings, then walked off.

We then saw some news reports talking about the event, no one knew what happened but evidence they did get appeared to show sentient polymer had killed everyone (that being Charles)

The whole thing about controlling the kollective 2.0 so he could turn all domestic robots around the world into combat mode was the main focus of the plot, and that event can no longer happen sure, but I wouldn't say that it's a good ending seeing as Charles is some godlike polymer entity who wants to wipe out all of humanity.

[Arndell]

If they continue the story with DLC, i'm expecting the new polymer based consciousness inside P3s glove will be his wife, something will happen with the remains of the twins that ends up replacing all the game functions Charles had.

Then you play through the DLC story with P3's wife in polymer brain version talking and controlling the glove in the same way Charles did while you do stuff to try and stop Charles leaving the USSR to go and wipe out humanity.

[DonPete]

From what I understand P-3 may have survived the ending that Charles wins, he can still act during limbo and you hear his wife talking to him. Mid final boss fight his wife mentions that both are liars and she can only reach us with the glove off and in limbo, while in limbo the platform starts crumbling but right comes in and we reach her hand, yet charles Itself cant really hear her so what ever Sechenov's achievement P-3 full potential isnt completely known to anyone.

Last thing to add i don't think P-1 and P-2 are mentioned by anything or anyone except the voice of the wife yet she mentions them as if all 3 P's are alive somehow.