Missiles

[Jegedillo]

Glad to see that missiles are still unavoidable. No matter how low I fly, how I turn, turning off AB to lower heat sig, all while activating chaff and flares, the missiles will still hit me 100% of the time. Meanwhile, I'll watch an AI dodge my missile with a simple left turn and no countermeasures.

[AHungryFellow]

Are you making sure you are looking at your RWR and knowing if the missile is either IR or radar?

[Jegedillo]

Originally posted by AHungryFellow:

Are you making sure you are looking at your RWR and knowing if the missile is either IR or radar?

Yep, I keep an eye on it constantly. I've tried watching these "tutorials" that people put out but nothing works. Stuff like notching for radar, or any of the innumerable videos on dodging IR.

But the AI can just turn left and my missile will miss every time in comparison. Game is broken or something.

[Astengate]

Sorry man this is a certified skill issue

because missiles are dodgeable, and rather easy if you know how.

However, some missiles cannot be G pulled and are incredibly hard to chaff, these are more often than not super missiles, such as the mad-4 and LR supermissile

trial and error, once you get it for the first time itll feel amazing, just remember that fighter AI missiles are different from player ones and easier to dodge

[Astengate]

make sure to identify what kind of missile it is first, a radar missile wont give a ♥♥♥♥ about your flares, and a heater doesnt care about chaff.

chaff also only works if it employed in the correct manner, just spamming it wont do anything

[Jegedillo]

Originally posted by Astengate:

make sure to identify what kind of missile it is first, a radar missile wont give a ♥♥♥♥ about your flares, and a heater doesnt care about chaff.

chaff also only works if it employed in the correct manner, just spamming it wont do anything

I don't try to use flares/chaff on radar missiles. I try notching which never works properly.
Chaff and flares coupled with a pull while reducing heat sig by lowering throttle should work on heat seekers but just don't seem to. The one and only reliable method it seems is to outrun a missile by doing a 180 and letting it burn out.

[Astengate]

Originally posted by Astengate:

Originally posted by Jegedillo:

I don't try to use flares/chaff on radar missiles. I try notching which never works properly.
Chaff and flares coupled with a pull while reducing heat sig by lowering throttle should work on heat seekers but just don't seem to. The one and only reliable method it seems is to outrun a missile by doing a 180 and letting it burn out.

notching only works from great distances, and it becomes less effective the closer the missile is. notching also requires the plane to have terrian behind it from the perspective of the missile, which usually means the missile has to be coming from above.

chaff is the opposite of notching, it does not require terrain for it to work, and it is more effective the closer the missil/radar is. the last update nerfed chaff a bit because it was a bit OP, but its still very doable.

some missiles/radars have better chaff and notching filtering, which makes them harder to evade defensively, again, seen mostly in supermissiles. to avoid these very specific missiles its best to not engage and use terrain to break line of sight or notch if the radar is very far away *NEVER RUN AWAY FROM THEM, they usually have 2 booster phases, which mean their range is astronomical, they will catch up with you and kill you*

EDIT: People often complain they died to heaters even when they put throttle to idle and dropped flares, these people also often spam flares like there is no tomorrow, which leaves a trail of heat signatures that lead back to the plane and kills them. In case of a heater, put throttle to idle, try to point your nose towards the heater if possible (coolest part of the aircraft) and drop flares in bundles of 2-3 until heater reacquires to the flares. Wait a second between bundles or the aformentioned problem might happen.

Some heaters, like the AIRS-T have better counter-counter measures (yes thats the term) and are harder to flare

[Jegedillo]

Originally posted by Astengate:

Originally posted by Astengate:

notching only works from great distances, and it becomes less effective the closer the missile is. notching also requires the plane to have terrian behind it from the perspective of the missile, which usually means the missile has to be coming from above.

chaff is the opposite of notching, it does not require terrain for it to work, and it is more effective the closer the missil/radar is. the last update nerfed chaff a bit because it was a bit OP, but its still very doable.

some missiles/radars have better chaff and notching filtering, which makes them harder to evade defensively, again, seen mostly in supermissiles. to avoid these very specific missiles its best to not engage and use terrain to break line of sight or notch if the radar is very far away *NEVER RUN AWAY FROM THEM, they usually have 2 booster phases, which mean their range is astronomical, they will catch up with you and kill you*

EDIT: People often complain they died to heaters even when they put throttle to idle and dropped flares, these people also often spam flares like there is no tomorrow, which leaves a trail of heat signatures that lead back to the plane and kills them. In case of a heater, put throttle to idle, try to point your nose towards the heater if possible (coolest part of the aircraft) and drop flares in bundles of 2-3 until heater reacquires to the flares. Wait a second between bundles or the aformentioned problem might happen.

Some heaters, like the AIRS-T have better counter-counter measures (yes thats the term) and are harder to flare

I'll give it a go.

[Fox_1041]

This is not a "tutorial", but watch it to give yourself some perspective
Dodging is hard, evading is hard, but if you give it enough effort, if you learn, it becomes a skill that you can use. Just learn instead of giving up and saying that its too hard, you can do it if you really want it.
https://youtu.be/7i-JP1J8JqE

[Fox_1041]

When I was learning I had the same time period, when I just didn't understand how people survive, when virtually every missile was a guaranteed way to respawn, but I spent days on researching how that works and now I'm decent, now I can enjoy the game. I am not special, I am not a genius, so anybody can do it, you included. It just takes time and a lot of research.

[Fox_1041]

Originally posted by Jegedillo:

Originally posted by AHungryFellow:

Are you making sure you are looking at your RWR and knowing if the missile is either IR or radar?

Yep, I keep an eye on it constantly. I've tried watching these "tutorials" that people put out but nothing works. Stuff like notching for radar, or any of the innumerable videos on dodging IR.

But the AI can just turn left and my missile will miss every time in comparison. Game is broken or something.

It will not work until you *understand* how it works. Just copying doesnt work. What helped me is to shift your perspective to see your jet from the missile's view. Try to become that sensor inside the missile. Notching works, but you have to know why it works.
By using ground: you have to be closing in on the missile with the same speed that the ground behind you becomes closer to it. So you have to fly exactly perpendicular to it.
By using chaff: same as above, but now chaff is your ground. BUT there's a catch, that chaff cloud becomes thinner with time, so it'll hide you for like 5-7 seconds. You have to time it to move to a blindspot of a missile or it'll regain lock on you because chaff will stop being a virtual target, and then you'll be the only target in missile's sight. Use it to relocate yourself, to get an opportunity to make a maneuver.

Heat-seekers - use the same mindset, see yourself from the missile's sensor. Dont make missile lose you. Make missile go after a target that is not you. You need to make missile go somewhere, where you aren't. When you flare change direction of travel. You will not evade a missile by making it lose you. You will always evade it by giving it a different target OR by outmaneuvering it. (but be careful, g-pulling a heat-seeker is kind of a miracle, they can pull more g than you so you have to make them work EXTRA hard to actually g-pull them. Also never g-pull unless the missile is going to you from the front)

And all of that is nothing compared to what you can learn yourself. Work for it and it'll repay you with victories.

[Devoss]

I usually have my countermeasures set at a release rate of 480, if it's a single engine, I use single deploy, if it's a dual engine, I put the release at double. when a heat seeker is fired I aim my belly at the missile, set throttle to idle and drop a large tight cluster of flares by hold the flare button down. this large chunk of heat confuses the missile more then a string of single flares, then just turn away from the missile after you drop your flares between you and the missile. if I need to fire off single flares I can by just quickly tapping the button. try a higher release rate and alternate between holding the button to release a big chunk or tapping the button to release them sparingly.

[Astengate]

Originally posted by Fox_1041:

Originally posted by Jegedillo:

Yep, I keep an eye on it constantly. I've tried watching these "tutorials" that people put out but nothing works. Stuff like notching for radar, or any of the innumerable videos on dodging IR.

But the AI can just turn left and my missile will miss every time in comparison. Game is broken or something.

It will not work until you *understand* how it works. Just copying doesnt work. What helped me is to shift your perspective to see your jet from the missile's view. Try to become that sensor inside the missile. Notching works, but you have to know why it works.
By using ground: you have to be closing in on the missile with the same speed that the ground behind you becomes closer to it. So you have to fly exactly perpendicular to it.
By using chaff: same as above, but now chaff is your ground. BUT there's a catch, that chaff cloud becomes thinner with time, so it'll hide you for like 5-7 seconds. You have to time it to move to a blindspot of a missile or it'll regain lock on you because chaff will stop being a virtual target, and then you'll be the only target in missile's sight. Use it to relocate yourself, to get an opportunity to make a maneuver.

Heat-seekers - use the same mindset, see yourself from the missile's sensor. Dont make missile lose you. Make missile go after a target that is not you. You need to make missile go somewhere, where you aren't. When you flare change direction of travel. You will not evade a missile by making it lose you. You will always evade it by giving it a different target OR by outmaneuvering it. (but be careful, g-pulling a heat-seeker is kind of a miracle, they can pull more g than you so you have to make them work EXTRA hard to actually g-pull them. Also never g-pull unless the missile is going to you from the front)

And all of that is nothing compared to what you can learn yourself. Work for it and it'll repay you with victories.

altough it is true that in VTOL VR and all other flight sims knowledge IS power, its best to start on the basics, so as to not get overwhelmed, this game is simple on the surface, but incredibly complex underneath. once you get down the basics, you can go down into the rabbithole of how missiles and system works

[Astengate]

Originally posted by Devoss:

I usually have my countermeasures set at a release rate of 480, if it's a single engine, I use single deploy, if it's a dual engine, I put the release at double. when a heat seeker is fired I aim my belly at the missile, set throttle to idle and drop a large tight cluster of flares by hold the flare button down. this large chunk of heat confuses the missile more then a string of single flares, then just turn away from the missile after you drop your flares between you and the missile. if I need to fire off single flares I can by just quickly tapping the button. try a higher release rate and alternate between holding the button to release a big chunk or tapping the button to release them sparingly.

I have it on single, which means I need to press the button every time I drop 1 flare, most missiles can be evaded with 2-3 flares, but yhe engine needs time to cool off, so as to avoid the engine being hotter than the countermeasures

[Badjoe]

Are you also using the F45 by chance? The FA/26B has more thrust for acceleration and a G-limiter switch that you can flick off to make very tight turns provided you have enough speed to keep it up. Also, learning when to pull evasive maneuvers takes a bit of time. Timing is important, as if you pull early you make for an easy target.

Another thing to keep in mind it to not load your plane too heavily as you will fly like a brick.

[snarF]

Skill issue