I just got banned for Triple H's cross logo :x!

[budyll]

So I just spent a ton of time making DX attires for both Triple H & Shawn Michaels. A ton of time to make Undertaker biker attires.

Then I went for making some old school Triple H attires but needed his cross for the elbows so I uploaded it and got banned :x!
Here's what am I talking about:
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ejAAAOSweW5VNzSk/s-l300.jpg
http://www.wwe.com/f/video/thumb/2012/08/20090323_hhh_rko_USE.jpg
That's just ridiculous!

[The Hat]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Kate Cadillac:

Oprindeligt skrevet af The Hat:

Educate Yourself. It'll take two seconds to do an - iron cross hate groups - search on google. Any link I post is going to get this post deleted.

Doesn't change the fact that the German Bundesheer still uses it. But it's okay, we get it. This symbol hurts your feelings.

Edit: glad your ban was lifted. Don't let the crybabies and uninformed people kill your fun and experience.

No you're the one getting emotional and name calling like a child.
I was answering you telling me to educate myself.

I think the fact he got banned was stupid, as i've said 3 times now. Which you are seemingly oblivious to. The reason being because WWE themselves use it. However he got banned because it was a symbol used by hate groups. Telling me to educate myself or the fact it is shared by an official organization doesn't change that fact.

The ban was lifted because it was hypocritical.

[Darkwave Dahlia]

So, that's "name calling" for you? How do you compute in real life then?

[The Hat]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Kate Cadillac:

So, that's "name calling" for you? How do you compute in real life then?

Aww crybaby, hurt your feelings did I? -> More passive aggressive BS cramed into that sentence than I see in a day.

How do you compute, aren't I clever tee hee.

What a joke.

[SMIFFY]

*noms doritos*

[Werecat101]

Oprindeligt skrevet af MrL0G1C:

Oprindeligt skrevet af The Hat:

Educate Yourself. It'll take two seconds to do an - iron cross hate groups - search on google. Any link I post is going to get this post deleted.

By banning everything hate group use you're actually giving them a ban hammer with which to ban anything they don't like. If they switched to the most commonly used Christian cross, would you have that banned too?

I think banning the swastika is a big mistake, a Hindu neighbour in my street was forced to remove their symbol of peace because fools like you don't understand what you're actually asking for. That's dumb, the intelligent move we be to RECLAIM these symbols and use them to mean what they originally meant. Like how gay people reclaimed the words gay and queer. By banning these symbols, what you're effectively doing is giving them away for eternity, how many times do you want to do that?

By banning the swastika you're actually being bigoted and disrespecting many religions across the world.

well apart from the fact your usage of gay and queer are wrong both words have been around far longer than Homosexuals have used them to describe themselves. so they claimed them they didn't reclaim them.

[MrL0G1C]

Claimed, reclaimed, whatever. Doesn't change anything.

[Darkwave Dahlia]

Oprindeligt skrevet af steve:

Oprindeligt skrevet af MrL0G1C:

By banning everything hate group use you're actually giving them a ban hammer with which to ban anything they don't like. If they switched to the most commonly used Christian cross, would you have that banned too?

I think banning the swastika is a big mistake, a Hindu neighbour in my street was forced to remove their symbol of peace because fools like you don't understand what you're actually asking for. That's dumb, the intelligent move we be to RECLAIM these symbols and use them to mean what they originally meant. Like how gay people reclaimed the words gay and queer. By banning these symbols, what you're effectively doing is giving them away for eternity, how many times do you want to do that?

By banning the swastika you're actually being bigoted and disrespecting many religions across the world.

well apart from the fact your usage of gay and queer are wrong both words have been around far longer than Homosexuals have used them to describe themselves. so they claimed them they didn't reclaim them.

Told you. No education. :/

[The Hat]

Oprindeligt skrevet af MrL0G1C:

Oprindeligt skrevet af The Hat:

Educate Yourself. It'll take two seconds to do an - iron cross hate groups - search on google. Any link I post is going to get this post deleted.

By banning everything hate group use you're actually giving them a ban hammer with which to ban anything they don't like. If they switched to the most commonly used Christian cross, would you have that banned too?

I think banning the swastika is a big mistake, a Hindu neighbour in my street was forced to remove their symbol of peace because fools like you don't understand what you're actually asking for. That's dumb, the intelligent move we be to RECLAIM these symbols and use them to mean what they originally meant. Like how gay people reclaimed the words gay and queer. By banning these symbols, what you're effectively doing is giving them away for eternity, how many times do you want to do that?

By banning the swastika you're actually being bigoted and disrespecting many religions across the world.

I've seen both sides of the argument. You're not going to reclaim it from what it was used for, given the gravity and meaning behind it. More to the point still is being used for. Especially as most people using it are doing it for a political motivation. I fully understand what I am asking for.

As for respecting religions, or politics for that matter I couldn't care less and that's probably part of the problem. You do. I don't. All I see it being used for is to cause problems and spread garbage, and you might as well keep garbage out of the public domain. Cutting off these people's symbols is one way of hindering their ability to reach an audience.

The only bit of your post there that made any impact for me was the fact that basic symbols can be trademarked or taken by a particular group. Though I think you are arguing this is a good thing, when I think the opposite.

*We are so far off topic here though we should probably bench this discussion, doesn't really belong on a steam forum.

[MrL0G1C]

By giving the Nazi's/Neo Nazi's the swasticka, by handing it to them on a plate forever you are actually empowering them. F*** em, take it back.

If people were educated as to where the symbol came from then they wouldn't mind if Hindu's (and many other cultures) used it like they have for a long time. Then it would cease to be mainly a Nazi symbol. The Nazi's also used the star of david during the WWII, so why isn't that banned? You can use all of the same arguments to ban the star of david.

Any reason you now give for saying the star of david shouldn't be banned is also as reason why the swastika shouldn't be banned.

[SMIFFY]

I've never been offended by a symbol, anyone who has needs to get a grip. Familiarity breeds indifference, so why would you want to give something unnecessary power by making it taboo. A ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ is still a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ whether they display an "offensive" symbol or not, at least when they are they're easier to spot and avoid.

[The Hat]

Oprindeligt skrevet af SMIFFY:

I've never been offended by a symbol, anyone who has needs to get a grip. Familiarity breeds indifference, so why would you want to give something unnecessary power by making it taboo. A ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ is still a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ whether they display an "offensive" symbol or not, at least when they are they're easier to spot and avoid.

Mr L0G1C's more on point here. I don't recall anyone in this thread who said they were offended. Maybe I missed a post.

Oprindeligt skrevet af MrL0G1C:

By giving the Nazi's/Neo Nazi's the swasticka, by handing it to them on a plate forever you are actually empowering them. F*** em, take it back.

If people were educated as to where the symbol came from then they wouldn't mind if Hindu's (and many other cultures) used it like they have for a long time. Then it would cease to be mainly a Nazi symbol. The Nazi's also used the star of david during the WWII, so why isn't that banned? You can use all of the same arguments to ban the star of david.

Any reason you now give for saying the star of david shouldn't be banned is also as reason why the swastika shouldn't be banned.

Ah the old absolutist argument. Falls flat mate. Everything is treated on a case by case basis in real life. I haven't seen any extremist groups using the star of david, i'm sure they exist but it's not commonplace.

I think you think I don't know esoteric terminology all that well, in regards to where the nazi's symbology came from. Sadly I do know enough, this is part of the issue, everyone is educated on it. I know the crazy stuff they thought they would achieve snatching up weird symbols, the only thing they were correct in is that symbols do hold a certain significance, that's why groups and brands use them to form identities around. Most people can't realy wrap their head around this, you seem to be able to, so this discussion was more interesting than most.

So at the moment that symbol is significant for these types of organizations, and removing it where possible helps sqaush them. The Nazi's already own this symbol and while I applaud your intent, it is naive to think that'll change when there are still active groups spreading thier message today in most countries. I know I end up in arguments with them often online.

I don't feel familiarity helps in the case of symbols as Smiffy believes it just makes the material more identifiable and accessible the more it is used, making the problem worse. Should a Hindu come along in mass media and make a point to use the symbol differently in mass media, that's a different case for another discussion. But casual entertainment, doesn't help in trying undermine the symbols current meaning in the minds of the masses.

[SMIFFY]

Oprindeligt skrevet af The Hat:

Oprindeligt skrevet af SMIFFY:

I've never been offended by a symbol, anyone who has needs to get a grip. Familiarity breeds indifference, so why would you want to give something unnecessary power by making it taboo. A ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ is still a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ whether they display an "offensive" symbol or not, at least when they are they're easier to spot and avoid.

Mr L0G1C's more on point here. I don't recall anyone in this thread who said they were offended. Maybe I missed a post.

And I didn't say anyone in the thread was.

[MrL0G1C]

", and removing it where possible helps sqaush them."

I disagree. And if everybody took the p*** out of neo-nazis and asked them if they were Hindus or Buddhists, they might not like the symbol so much. Think about it, if every appropriated the symbol, if 10x as many people used it to mean peace, what would happen? It'd destroy the power of the symbol for neo-nazis and make them look stupid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

"The swastika (as a character ♥ or ♥) is an ancient religious icon used in the Indian subcontinent, East Asia and Southeast Asia, where it has been and remains a sacred symbol of spiritual principles in Buddhism, Hinduism, and Jainism.[1][2][3][4] In the Western world, it was historically a symbol of auspiciousness and good luck,[5] but in the 1930s, it became the main feature of Nazi symbolism as an emblem of Aryan race identity, and as a result, it has become stigmatized in the West by association with ideas of racism, hate, and mass murder.[5][6]"

That stigma is reversible, we have to chose to reverse it. You can't really ban a symbol and by trying you just hand it to the worst people who ignore the ban. Like banning drugs, how's that working out for Mexico?

[Werecat101]

MrL0G1C whilst I dont tottally disagree with you, I suggest you stop your line of conversation about a banned symbol as talking about that symbol is a permaban offence.

[MrL0G1C]

OK so a wrestling game admittedly isn't a good place to use the symbol, I was talking more in general. I'm happy to stop talking about it. Conversation long enough already.