Miasmic repulsor/worker remove miasma switch issues

[gimmethegepgun]

Due to Miasmic Repulsor being switched with Worker Remove Miasma, and the fact that the AI NEVER intentionally gets any techs outside of its chosen affinity, the only AI that is able to get Repulsors is Harmony. Additionally, the AI is completely unwilling to allow its workers to get hurt by miasma, and since Worker Miasma Immunity is still on Alien Biology, it doesn't matter that Remove Miasma is on Ecology, because the AI will never use workers to remove it without Immunity.
So, after the patch, miasma stays on the whole map the whole game unless you remove it yourself, because the AI won't. And conquering them is even lamer now since half their tiles are unimproved with miasma on them.
While I'm in favor of the swap, since the singular removal ought to come before the area removal, the AI is utterly incapable of handling the change.

[Matthew]

Yeah noticed this as well. Funny stuff.

[SamBC]

If that reasoning were correct, they would only have removed it with satellites before, as their workers would never have had the ability.

[Sims_doc]

I saw that recently with a purity A.I and i'm assuming its just a design oversight of the patch as I guess the patch never updated the AI, Which actually makes sense then..

[BudaKhan]

Worker Miasma Immunity + Clear Miasma

Major foulup to not link these two abilities, considering the worker AI's aversion to taking damage. So far, I have no other beefs with the patch. It has played well except for this miss. Just grant worker miasma immunity and worker clear miasma with the same tech.

[gimmethegepgun]

SamBC a écrit :

If that reasoning were correct, they would only have removed it with satellites before, as their workers would never have had the ability.

That's what they did, because unless they picked Harmony they would NEVER get Alien Biology, so their only option was using satellites.

[Adm. Rogriss]

Miasmic Repulsor Change

I may end up being in the minority on this, but after a couple of games playing with the patch I'm getting increasingly ticked off about the Miasmic Repuslor, being swiched to Ailen Biology.

Here's Why:

It doesn't make sense. I thought the whole harmony thing was about working with the planet, and so having miasmic imunity tied to the harmony tree made sense, same with the misasmic condencer. The repulsor seems much more in line with the purity or supremicy paths, who naturaly want to change the nature of the planet... by removing miasma. Now I have read posts by some people who said that the repulsor was too easy to get, and that single tile clearing should come before multi tile clearing, and I agree. But that idea in no way adresses the lack of logic in how fraxis went about nerfing the repulsor.

So fraxis if your listining, I appreciate the effort (and there are several things about the patch that I like) but on this, I think good intentions have led you to a bad place... Please Please change it.

P.S. If anyone knows a good mod to fix this please share it

[Andrius227]

Yeah i agree. You should not need to know everything about these alien plants and swamps and stuff to be able to remove it. Just let us burn it all down or something, even if it also removes the forests.

[Misfit Eye]

You are right on, OP

Sadly though, whoever figured out all the Affinity ins and outs was high. So much of it makes no sense. I love the concept but it seems like there is no real logic to it.

[Syzy]

Dude, at that point in the game researching alien biology isn't going to turn your people into alien hybrids who fornicate with their pets. Its like learning about the ecology of a swamp, how it works, and then applying that knoweldge to drain it out.

[SamBC]

Updated the thread title to better reflect the range of issues discussed.

[SamBC]

Archon of Illium a écrit :

Dude, at that point in the game researching alien biology isn't going to turn your people into alien hybrids who fornicate with their pets. Its like learning about the ecology of a swamp, how it works, and then applying that knoweldge to drain it out.

Yeah, this, early affinity levels don't represent wholesale change in your society, just initial exploration of those issues. Nothing significant affinity-specific happens until level 4.

AIs not taking it might be more of an issue.

[Quineloe]

SamBC a écrit :

If that reasoning were correct, they would only have removed it with satellites before, as their workers would never have had the ability.

I've never seen an AI worker remove Miasma, so that is indeed the case.

[Hamish]

I agree that the miasma repulsor should have been placed as a neutral affinity tech as it is prodominantly used in the early game for all affinities and would only be useful for Purity and Supremecy affinities for the entire game.

For a story-line 'feel', It would be likely to see a Purity civilization to develop the repulsor technology whilst the Harmony civilization would research and imbrace miasma.

[gimmethegepgun]

Hamish a écrit :

I agree that the miasma repulsor should have been placed as a neutral affinity tech as it is prodominantly used in the early game for all affinities and would only be useful for Purity and Supremecy affinities for the entire game.

For a story-line 'feel', It would be likely to see a Purity civilization to develop the repulsor technology whilst the Harmony civilization would research and imbrace miasma.

One obvious question is why are Condenser/Add Miasma on a neutral tech and not on a Harmony?
Put Condenser and Add Miasma on Alien Biology and Miasma Immunity and Repulsor on Alien Ecology. A bit odd having adding be earlier than the satellite removal but whatever. Can't make Alien Ecology a Harmony tech since that would put 2 of them under Alien Sciences, and as it stands it makes no sense for Condenser to be on a neutral tech while Repulsor is on Harmony (the one who benefits the least from it)

[Chro]

On a recent game if i didnt remove the miasma for an allied AI he would never improve any tiles on his 3rd city, cuz he made it on a small island with like 3 miasma free hexes and the rest covered with miasma, and he would just move his workers around doing nothing