Very positive because its an anime with nudity?

[NullBy7e]

Yet another game that get's rated like this because of that.

[Rynnyr]

Why do you think so? Plot is very interesting. It's not some nukige trash.

[NullBy7e]

Originally posted by Rynnyr:

Why do you think so? Plot is very interesting.

It is? I simply would not expect that because any such game like this is full with nudity, females etc and sometimes has a patch to uncensor certain things.

[Rynnyr]

Originally posted by NullBy7e:

Originally posted by Rynnyr:

Why do you think so? Plot is very interesting.

It is? I simply would not expect that because any such game like this is full with nudity, females etc and sometimes has a patch to uncensor certain things.

Game like this? Do you mean visual novel in general? If so, it's not true. Many visual novels are very interesting in plot. It all depends on genre.

[NullBy7e]

Originally posted by Rynnyr:

Originally posted by NullBy7e:

It is? I simply would not expect that because any such game like this is full with nudity, females etc and sometimes has a patch to uncensor certain things.

Game like this? Do you mean visual novel in general? If so, it's not true. Many visual novels are very interesting in plot. It all depends on genre.

Yeah visual novels, almost all of those I come across feature the tags this game has.

[Rynnyr]

Originally posted by NullBy7e:

Originally posted by Rynnyr:

Game like this? Do you mean visual novel in general? If so, it's not true. Many visual novels are very interesting in plot. It all depends on genre.

Yeah visual novels, almost all of those I come across feature the tags this game has.

You should try VNDB[vndb.org]. There you can search visual novels by tags. This is that game: https://vndb.org/v3144

[Null]

I only liked Yume Miru Kusuri for the sex scenes, not the character development, art, music, or relatable heroines.

I only liked Song of Saya for the loli, not the dark lovecraftian story, depravity, and tragedy that it was filled with thanks to Urobutcher.

I only liked Tsukihime for the maid sex, not the crazy world with insane powerlevels, a protagonist who can bring death to anything that exists even if it's only a concept, a very original take on vampires, and a seriously messed-up family.

I only liked Fate/Stay Night because of Tohsaka's butt, not the fights between epic heroes slaughtering one-another in a battle royale for the holy grail, the buildup to the reveal of Archer's identity, and the cruelty and irrationality of the Magus families seeking the grail.

I only liked Rance because of the hot women getting it from Rance's hyper weapon™. Not the addictive and fun gameplay, wide range of characters, multitude of routes, and optional content in absolute spades. (This also applies to Big Bang Age, Daiteikoku, and Kamidori)

I only liked Inganock and Sharnoth because of the sex scenes. Not the bizarre setting, unusual prose, grim setting, altruistic protagonists, and unique art style.

I only liked Wanko to Kurasou because of the cute lolis. Not because of the... okay fine I only liked it for the lolis, it was mediocre otherwise.

I only like Subahibi because tribadism with Kagami. Not the unusual story, the underlying madness, the creeping feeling that something is seriously wrong, nagging questions, references to philosophy, and the brutality of humans in the face of the upcoming apocalypse.

What I'm saying is you seem to have this idea that an actual plot and erotic content are mutually exclusive. They're not. They're a nice bonus but they're even better when they make sense in context and aren't just sex for the sake of sex. I will admit however that it was sex for the sake of sex in the initial route before everything goes south.

[Rynnyr]

Originally posted by Fz Dynelight:

I only liked Yume Miru Kusuri for the sex scenes, not the character development, art, music, or relatable heroines.

I only liked Song of Saya for the loli, not the dark lovecraftian story, depravity, and tragedy that it was filled with thanks to Urobutcher.

I only liked Tsukihime for the maid sex, not the crazy world with insane powerlevels, a protagonist who can bring death to anything that exists even if it's only a concept, a very original take on vampires, and a seriously messed-up family.

I only liked Fate/Stay Night because of Tohsaka's butthole, not the fights between epic heroes slaughtering one-another in a battle royale for the holy grail, the buildup to the reveal of Archer's identity, and the cruelty and irrationality of the Magus families seeking the grail.

I only liked Rance because of the hot women getting it from Rance's hyper weapon™. Not the addictive and fun gameplay, wide range of characters, multitude of routes, and optional content in absolute spades. (This also applies to Big Bang Age, Daiteikoku, and Kamidori)

I only liked Inganock and Sharnoth because of the sex scenes. Not the bizarre setting, unusual prose, grim setting, altruistic protagonists, and unique art style.

I only liked Wanko to Kurasou because of the cute lolis. Not because of the... okay fine I only liked it for the lolis, it was mediocre otherwise.

I only like Subahibi because tribadism with Kagami. Not the unusual story, the underlying madness, the creeping feeling that something is seriously wrong, nagging questions, references to philosophy, and the brutality of humans in the face of the upcoming apocalypse.

What I'm saying is you seem to have this idea that an actual plot and erotic content are mutually exclusive. They're not. They're a nice bonus but they're even better when they make sense in context and aren't just sex for the sake of sex. I will admit however that it was sex for the sake of sex in the initial route before everything goes south.

That's right.

[NullBy7e]

Right. I can't pretend to understand this all but I can definitely believe that there's more to visual novels than just sex scenes.

[Null]

Originally posted by NullBy7e:

Right. I can't pretend to understand this all but I can definitely believe that there's more to visual novels than just sex scenes.

Bingo. Most VN readers look down on nukige (basically porn takes priority over plot, assuming there even is a plot) as nothing but smut.

[フリーナ]

Originally posted by NullBy7e:

Right. I can't pretend to understand this all but I can definitely believe that there's more to visual novels than just sex scenes.

No offense mate, but the genre of visual novels have been there before some of us were even born. They wouldn't be so successful if all they were are 'fap' or 'shlick' tools. As evidence, many of them have been adapted into mangas, animes etc. The Fate franchise is the best example of this but there are also the likes of Utawarerumono, Clannad, Tsuki- oh I forgot, there is no tsukihime anime.

Finally, not all Visual novels are getting good reviews, if a product is shayt it will still be treated as shayt. However, if a product is genuinely decent, why not give it a praise? It's only fair.

[andy_fs]

please don't judge from the tags. VNs offer much more than porn.

[senaya]

I'd rather have the game in its originally intended state. I don't care if it has erotic scenes in it or not (look at Clannad or Higurashi/Umineko series, they are critically acclaimed yet never had any porn scenes in them) but if it was included originally, then I'd rather have it in the translated version too.

[geckboy3000]

... Wow... i gotta say. This is one of the more civil discussions involviing opinions i've seen on Steam so far. Kinda nice... :D

[Grizzled Grizzly]

Originally posted by NullBy7e:

Yet another game that get's rated like this because of that.

One day, maybe people will stop making such a big deal about nudity...

[Alexei101mercurio]

I am very glad to confirm that this thread didn't become troll-thread. From the other side, I really don't know if I would recommend SubaHibi to someone. Pretty fierce and shocking stuff.