This game stats rolls sucks

[Anmheda]

Whats the point of playing Ruthless Hardcore when the item drops are worse than Insane/NM HC difficulty drops lol. How is it possible to program such bad gear stat drops on higher difficulties. I guess they want people to waste their time as much as possible in this game to get good loot xD

[Caimen]

Please provide an example or 2 of that. Any item stat changes between Nightmare and Ruthless always have higher stats on Ruthless.

It sounds to me like you got a bad roll and are assuming the rest of ruthless is junk because of 1 item.

[Anmheda]

Publicado originalmente por Caimen:

Please provide an example or 2 of that. Any item stat changes between Nightmare and Ruthless always have higher stats on Ruthless.

It sounds to me like you got a bad roll and are assuming the rest of ruthless is junk because of 1 item.

I think you are wrong here. Maybe things are different for you, but for me I get bad items with bad rolls on almost EVERY map I play on Ruthless Hardcore. The last 2-3 days, I completed the whole campaign and all challenges on Ruthless hardcore, as well as some DLC maps, and the loot I got are so bad. Most items being Mythical... (with negative rolls). I get same loot with same stats or better stats on Insane or Nightmare. Sometimes I feel Insane or Nightmare drops Ult+ more often than Ruthless. I rarely get good Ult+ items with good rolls in Ruthless Hardcore.

So to my first point... Whats the point in playing Ruthless Hardcore? IMO, there is no point if you care about loot. If you play on the highest difficulty and complete hard maps, the game should be programmed so you get at least a few good items with good rolls, but that is not how this game works. I think this game stat rolls sucks, from my experience.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy this game and had lots of fun playing it. But the stat rolls on victory gears from the highest difficulties rly sucks, Imo.

[Caimen]

Publicado originalmente por Anmheda:

The last 2-3 days, I completed the whole campaign and all challenges on Ruthless hardcore, as well as some DLC maps, and the loot I got are so bad.

The original campaign maps are an annoying case to be sure. they can spawn better on Ruthless, but the way the quality multiplier works, it overrolls stats negative extremely often. It just means you have to farm the same item for a good amount of time to get a really good one. Here for example is an Ogre Party Hat that you are literally incapable of dropping from Nightmare Ogre Crush:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3445694830

Now if you farm a map like Akatiti Jungle on Ruthless, the Obsidian weapons don't have increased stat rolls, but they do spawn ult++ about 20% more often, and the weapon you get isn't randomized. Other maps like Tavern Incursion and Temple of Polybius double the amount of reward weapons you get. There is rarely a map where farming Nightmare is better. (Temple of Love and Winter Wonderland - but only until next patch)

[Anmheda]

Publicado originalmente por Caimen:

The original campaign maps are an annoying case to be sure. they can spawn better on Ruthless, but the way the quality multiplier works, it overrolls stats negative extremely often. It just means you have to farm the same item for a good amount of time to get a really good one. Here for example is an Ogre Party Hat that you are literally incapable of dropping from Nightmare Ogre Crush:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3445694830

Now if you farm a map like Akatiti Jungle on Ruthless, the Obsidian weapons don't have increased stat rolls, but they do spawn ult++ about 20% more often, and the weapon you get isn't randomized. Other maps like Tavern Incursion and Temple of Polybius double the amount of reward weapons you get. There is rarely a map where farming Nightmare is better. (Temple of Love and Winter Wonderland - but only until next patch)

I see, thank you for the information :) You are probably right, but with all the time the game requires you to farm for potentially better gear, it takes too long Imo, and it feels like the rewards are too small.

For example, I completed the Tropics of Etheria map two times on Ruthless Hardcore yesterday, and I got such bad loot (again), except the wicked glasses of course (when you do the secrets).
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3446100946

I just dont see the point in playing Ruthless HC for better gear, because many maps like those you mention are extremely hard even on NM HC, so I rather spend my time just having fun on Nightmare tbh. There have been too many times I complete rly hard maps without getting any good loot in return for my time spent actually clearing such hard maps. I think this is the end game for me at this point. I wish the game dropped better loot more often, even on NM HC difficulties, but I understand if you want the best loot/gear then you need to spend 100s, maybe 1000s of hours farming in this game, which is something I dont find fun.

This game has been a lot of fun to the point I am now (500+ hours in game), but when still seeing bad loot drops at the highest difficulties too often, the game is starting to feel more and more boring. Im not a big fan of too much grinding. I love grinding as long as it feels fun, but right now it doesn't. I guess Im strong enough in this game already, I completed all achievements in Steam and I only miss 4 inside the game (love machine, eternia gauntlet etc).
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3446100412

I think the game would be better, and more fun for most people, if the loot system were a little bit better/kinder. I understand that its a online game with shops etc, where farming and grinding is a big thing, but spending 100s or 1000s of hours to get the best (or much better) gear is not something I see as fun or worth my time. I think Im happy with how far I got in this game for now :)
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3446108839

[Xengre]

Tropics of Etheria is ghetto loot wise. You would, quite literally, be better off farming insane Tavern Incursion if you are after the sword and then joining, or just joining and waiting in starting area until they finish first wave, Tavern Incursion NM/Ruthless. The sword farm on that map is genuinely way undertuned.

Sometimes people don't mind carrying as long as you have an okay DPS on Great Old one/bosses to help later on or they have at least 4-5 competent players already.

Be aware that the stat roll over bug that the other poster mentioned so severely effects weapons that, aside from a few ultra rare staff drops, it is essentially impossible to farm a good weapon off ground loot dropped by mobs/chests in both Nightmare and Ruthless. Only map completion rewards directly desposited into your Forge can ever be good. Devs want it as a feature because they don't want to figure out how to fix and while keeping the game's existing balance state as is. Sadly, they also wont fix it for armors so there are some weird bugs there like very late Ruthless survival loot eventually overcaps and goes down hard so you gotta eihter pick to farm the pet anyways or skip the final waves 31+ on Spook/infested.

However, Ruthless Spook/infested wave 21-30 has very good armor survival loot, usually rolling towards the max possible stats Supreme and Ult pieces can get, and giving actually not awful Ult+/++ when they drop. Unfortunately, this rule applies exclusively to Spook/Infested and similar tier maps, aka the very ultra end game armor farm, because any earlier map you can farm Ruthless on you can simply swap to Nightmare and farm a harder better armor tier map...

Do Eternia Gauntlet solo. Trust me, doing with a group massively buffs bosses and is way overtuned unless you got like a monster party configuration and very peak of peak gear. Solo it is pretty trivial. The weapon staff is just a harder to farm version of the Ember Staff so its a trash map unless I'm forgetting something else. Do it for achievement only.

Love Machine has a top tier huntress weapon, Minigun. It is boring to farm, though, and an utterly immense lagfest past wave 5 so DPS artificially plummets. Further, it just isn't a fast map to farm, but the Minigun is one of the best weapons in the game. Solo it puts it around Apprentice level DPS, but with a huge movement penalty... However, paired with a Monk's Hero Boost it puts it second only to Hermit and Hermit is atrocious to play as DPS because of the mandatory every 3s thorn spam to beat other DPS heroes making the Super Legendary Huntress with a high end Minigun basically the stronger single target DPS assuming the gun you get is good enough...

Not sure what other maps you are missing so can't comment.

I think the current loot system is sufficient as long as you have people to guide you to the good stuff. I think the biggest issue is the odds of getting some peak pets/weapons, however, is abnormally low. More importantly, I think the issue of Ult++ armor is particularly problematic because of the massive stat gulf it has over other pieces of gear. Fortunately, you don't need fully decked out Ult++ gear to wreck the game so anything past 7k stats is just an extra bonus. I wouldn't stress on that part. Farming a good enough pet/weapon can suck though.

[Caimen]

Publicado originalmente por Anmheda:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3446100946

So the item you posted is what is known as a "generic weapon", the type that drops in wave. These are, without exception, always trash. Even if they spawn ult++. The game gives you these because they have the potential to spawn as armor instead, which can be useful. It's like PoE except there aren't any filters to get rid of the trash.

The only item in that screenshot that you should even bother looking at the stats of is the Phantom Destroyer. That item is a unique map drop. Unique map drops are the items that have higher stat rolls and better spawn rates in Ruthless.

Publicado originalmente por Anmheda:

Im not a big fan of too much grinding. I love grinding as long as it feels fun, but right now it doesn't.

It sounds to me like your reaching your limit on the game then. You will probably extend the amount of time the game still feels fun by ignoring anything that isn't a unique map rewards, but not by much.

Have fun with your runs, and may rngsus be with you.

[Anmheda]

Rngsus was not with me today :P
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3446771869

Look at those item drops from completing Crystal Cave Survival on Ruthless Hardcore xD I sold most stuff cause they were only godly and cursed stuff, then I kept some myth and trans stuff... Great loot! xD

[Anmheda]

So I just completed the striking tree on ruthless hardcore, which is one of the harder maps, its one of the last ones in the lost quests. And the loot drops after victory is so lame... xD Why give any rewards at all. Good thing I'm only farming achievements and completion of the game and not loot

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3458823233
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3458823436
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3458823538
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3458823625

I'm gonna be completely honest here, I think this kind of loot system is rly bad and disrespectful to customers. Don't get me wrong, I love DD and I had so much fun playing it for 600+ hours already. But damn, when we are able to beat the game on the hardest difficulty possible the devs could AT LEAST program the loot drops so it doesn't give minus rolls, and they could avoid giving cursed loot (unless there is a 100% chance to get something good on the side), and they could also make sure the loot always have positive stats above 400 etc, especially on harder maps. When getting bad loot at ruthless hardcore way too often, it feels like they don't give a ♥♥♥♥ about customers spare time lol.

Btw, the stats on the gears I got from striking tree, like the Ult flower staff, rly sucked (minus rolls on almost all stats). It doesn't matter if you get a few ult stuff when the stats are rly bad. I think this kind of flawed loot system, sucks. Maybe some people like it, but I dont.