1.1 Secrets overall

[gonnamad]

donate 100k to fountain - you can cross pilfer guards in act 4. It's 1 time use so any other tries cost the same 100k.

Getting (useless?) new artifact.
After you donate 100k you will receive buff. You must proceed to bog 4 with it. So do not hit any pilfers in this run (not even rainbow pilfers).
After you killed boss 1st time you must break secret wall in bog 4. Inside it you will found more secret rooms with trails (1st secret wall placed always somewhere in the north and 2nd secret wall 1st secret wall placed always placed in the east). So you need atleast 2 bombs for it. But more is better.

After all trails there will be 2nd guards and they will let you pass if you have crown (from 1st boss kill). And if you have buff queen will give you new artifact.

I hightly recommend you to play on NG0 and savescam and abuse quicksave because how fat and strong enemines in the bog are. And how cheap some trails can be failed. And how expensive each attempt is.

If you quit game to main menu level will start from room 1 (so you can restart failed trails). And you can savescam saves in "\Users\User\AppData\LocalLow\Thorium Entertainment"

[Sebine]

Save SCUM
https://www.google.com/search?q=savescam&rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS912US912&oq=savescam&aqs=chrome..69i57.818j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[Maxfecteau]

I don't know if it's because what you're saying is wrong or because I'm the one making mistakes, but I can't find any of the stuff you said about secret walls and trails

[Rubyeyed]

I checked what you get and seriously, all this work for that garbage? Wiki even says you lose it on death so it's not even permanent? like wtf

[gonnamad]

Originally posted by Rubyeyed:

I checked what you get and seriously, all this work for that garbage? Wiki even says you lose it on death so it's not even permanent? like wtf

Ye, it's clearly sign that devs become lazy and start pushing overstat time consuming useless challenges instead of deepen game mechanics and increase the item roster.

[TemmieNeko]

Originally posted by gonnamad:

Originally posted by Rubyeyed:

I checked what you get and seriously, all this work for that garbage? Wiki even says you lose it on death so it's not even permanent? like wtf

Ye, it's clearly sign that devs become lazy and start pushing overstat time consuming useless challenges instead of deepen game mechanics and increase the item roster.

ever played the binding of isaac? go look up how abusrd it is to unlock the lost, and how worthless as a character he is.

[Rubyeyed]

Originally posted by TemmieNeko:

Originally posted by gonnamad:

Ye, it's clearly sign that devs become lazy and start pushing overstat time consuming useless challenges instead of deepen game mechanics and increase the item roster.

ever played the binding of isaac? go look up how abusrd it is to unlock the lost, and how worthless as a character he is.

the lost is basically ironman mode (kind of), and you don't lose him when you die once so not a great comparison

[TemmieNeko]

Originally posted by Rubyeyed:

Originally posted by TemmieNeko:

ever played the binding of isaac? go look up how abusrd it is to unlock the lost, and how worthless as a character he is.

the lost is basically ironman mode (kind of), and you don't lose him when you die once so not a great comparison

i was referring to the insane leg work required to get it, which needs more than just know-how and skill - also a good deal of rng, and multiple runs to get the unlock started.

If you can make it THAT far in THIS game, and not keel over, than you are probably god-like. This game doesn't pull any punches. I think that sort of reward is more for high-end players looking for a victory lap challenge.

[Rubyeyed]

I mean, unlocking the lost wasn't that bad, you just had to die to specific things with specific characters and making it to satan with azazel is like, you know, not hard since it's azazel? + I think you could even use seeds for runs so it's not even close to "insane legwork" and the reward is a new permanent character which is worth the work you put into unlocking him

btw i did everything in BoI and I'm not god tier I think, just competent

Issue here, in Undermine, is the lackluster gone-on-death reward for an annoying no plifers hit challenge. I actually been to the bog a few times already and fought the boss but keeping the buff till then is a pain in the ass. (because 100k isn't a big deal but it might be annoying that it's not permanent, I would gladly farm up 1 mill or more, hand it over and be done with it.)