What Plants/Trees Are Best To Grow...?

[Pantherr]

So with everything that I can plant, what makes the best sense, as in what am I going to need/use the most..?

Thanks...

[KtX2SkD]

First off, my experience is except for flowers, potatoes, and beets (basically anything that doesn't fit into a small crop plot), seeds on average return less than what you plant. So you should think of the seeds you have not in terms of "a sustainable resource" but in terms of "a loot box with the following probabilities". So, you just evaluate if they are (or can be made into) something worthwhile or not.

The fellas here provide quite a bit of good info. May I add to it that generally dishes improve the ingredients (not accounting for clay & wood expenses), but for juices I'm not so sure. I'm basing this off wiki numbers, and while "Bonus Thirst" has no known number I'm assuming it has the same ratio against normal "Thirst" as normal and bonus "Hunger" have to each other, and I've also only done the math for Simple Smoothie thanks to the tough requirements of most juices so far.

Admittedly I'm making Simple Smoothies despite of this, and recently my juicing options might've opened up so I'm ought to review the other juices as well.

[BGratz]

What Plants/Trees Are Best To Grow...?

The ones that give the stuff you need the most.
From the Seeeds/Fruits you can seed and have on storage.

When you have enough on storage of something you dont need to produce moore

[Zombits]

It usually means more chores and trouble to maintain, compared to collecting raw materials with nets. But i did plant today a few flowers for honey , a few potatoes for stew and a few strawberries , only after i unlocked the advanced scarecrow !

[BGratz]

I plant what i need
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2851333871

When i needed wood i planted the Tree seeds that gave the most wood
When i needed Mangos or Bananas i planted them
When i filled my 2+1mix+2 Potatoe and Redbeet Crates i planted these
When i needed Paint i planted the Flowers of the kind i needed
For fuel i just planted mixed Flowers or (after i had the advanced scarewcrows) White (since white i needed the most)

As you can see on the picture i had at the end a mixed Forest (just for the look)
The medium Planters are empty and the small ones are filled with flowers for the honey
Well Honey i had more than enough in the end with 36 Honeycombs each harvest

[Pantherr]

Originally posted by KtX2SkD:

First off, my experience is except for flowers, potatoes, and beets (basically anything that doesn't fit into a small crop plot), seeds on average return less than what you plant. So you should think of the seeds you have not in terms of "a sustainable resource" but in terms of "a loot box with the following probabilities". So, you just evaluate if they are (or can be made into) something worthwhile or not.

The fellas here provide quite a bit of good info. May I add to it that generally dishes improve the ingredients (not accounting for clay & wood expenses), but for juices I'm not so sure. I'm basing this off wiki numbers, and while "Bonus Thirst" has no known number I'm assuming it has the same ratio against normal "Thirst" as normal and bonus "Hunger" have to each other, and I've also only done the math for Simple Smoothie thanks to the tough requirements of most juices so far.

Admittedly I'm making Simple Smoothies despite of this, and recently my juicing options might've opened up so I'm ought to review the other juices as well.

Yeah I am only recently getting into the recipies for food n drink, so I'll keep this in mind.. Thankyou..

Originally posted by Zombits:

It usually means more chores and trouble to maintain, compared to collecting raw materials with nets. But i did plant today a few flowers for honey , a few potatoes for stew and a few strawberries , only after i unlocked the advanced scarecrow !

I don't have the advanced scarecrow as yet, working towards it. Just reached Tier 2..

Originally posted by BGratz:

I plant what i need
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2851333871

When i needed wood i planted the Tree seeds that gave the most wood
When i needed Mangos or Bananas i planted them
When i filled my 2+1mix+2 Potatoe and Redbeet Crates i planted these
When i needed Paint i planted the Flowers of the kind i needed
For fuel i just planted mixed Flowers or (after i had the advanced scarewcrows) White (since white i needed the most)

As you can see on the picture i had at the end a mixed Forest (just for the look)
The medium Planters are empty and the small ones are filled with flowers for the honey
Well Honey i had more than enough in the end with 36 Honeycombs each harvest

Wow, that's a nice raft... I have seen it before though.. Did you post it on Nexus or in a guide here...? How many engines you need for that..?, mine is needing 8 at the moment..

[WhamyKaBlamy]

I'm a massive noob to this game, so I could be 100% wrong in my opinion here, but I found that making smoothies and cooking pot recipes a massive help in keeping on top of my hunger/thirst needs.

I've been making the fish soup for my normal use as it only requires 2 of herring/pompfret and 2 of potato/beet which I seem to get tons of from the nets. I haven't really needed to farm with those for a while as a stack gives me 10 meals but I do have some plots for beets/potatoes. It does require a bit of fishing, but if I use a wooden fishing rod I have a 50% chance to get either a herring or pompfret. I have an almost 70% chance to get either of those and a mackarel.

I use my other meats (animal and drumsticks) to make BBQ's for when I'm on a large island or doing story missions. So I've not really been farming for food. I haven't been making shark dinners because I have also been using the special foods for swimming speed and the smoothies for extra oxygen, which uses some of the same ingredients as the shark dinner.

I have been actively farming for my smoothies. I started off just using all my pineapple, mango and palm tree seeds to get myself the stuff for a simple smoothie, but as soon as I got bananas I switched to making magonana's. For some reason banana trees seem to be self sustaining whereas other fruit trees don't seem to be; I seem to regularly get 14/15 seeds back from the 8 I plant in my plots. Mango trees aren't, but they give like 2 fruit back on every tree, and it only requires 1 mango for a mangonana.

I've also been actively farming pineapples and strawberries so that I can make the spicy pineberry for swimming speed.

[BGratz]

Originally posted by Pantherr:

Wow, that's a nice raft... I have seen it before though.. Did you post it on Nexus or in a guide here...? How many engines you need for that..?, mine is needing 8 at the moment..

If the picture helps me to expain something i post the picture. Until now around 4 times in 4 threads (Can we build catamarans, Advice on raft building, now here, and maybe somewhere else )
Its just easyer than describing it

[Felix McDaggart]

just to add a further note, i found that by building plots/planters on the deck and having walls and a roof along with 2 birds nests as far away up high as possible, never got bothered by the gulls and never needed scares crows.
early game, you can put a small planter under the research table too to shelter it for your spuds n beets :)

[BGratz]

Originally posted by McDaggart:

just to add a further note, i found that by building plots/planters on the deck and having walls and a roof along with 2 birds nests as far away up high as possible, never got bothered by the gulls and never needed scares crows.
early game, you can put a small planter under the research table too to shelter it for your spuds n beets :)

Before i had the Advanced scare crows i mostly farmed Potatoes and Beet. Since you get 200% return it just dont matter if you loose 10-20% if you have enough plots

[Pantherr]

Well this is all quite helpful, thankyou very much everyone... So far the drinks I have found, and used, haven't been helpful actually.. They gave less of a boost than water so will have to test out the others.. :)

I did manage to get the advanced scarecrow today, so that will help things. I agree on the spuds and beets too, quick and easy to grow..

I'm almost done with the story now, assuming Utopia is the end, as I just finished Temperance, but I am guessing you can still keep playing afterwards..

[BGratz]

Drinks and dishes give a extra to the Bar. (see pic for foodbar)
Means you eat for example the Potatoe redbeet Dish (4 of them in any mix) and you dont need to eat agaion for double so long
Drinks you need (dependent on the drink) 3-4 for a full bar, Dishes 4-5

Some dishes give even buffs as faster running, Swimming or betray death (the ones with a star, mostly (all?) buyed recipes)
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2850829573

Thats why my Kitchen is german style, 5 Pots and 5 Mixer. So if you focus for some time on cooking you can have several Container full of food
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2851333812

(The german question: "Can we do that on industrial level ?")

[KtX2SkD]

Originally posted by Pantherr:

Wow, that's a nice raft... I have seen it before though.. Did you post it on Nexus or in a guide here...? How many engines you need for that..?, mine is needing 8 at the moment..

Anything above 6 is not necessary, as 6 provide maximum speed and a skip for the 100 foundation rule.

Originally posted by Pantherr:

Well this is all quite helpful, thankyou very much everyone... So far the drinks I have found, and used, haven't been helpful actually.. They gave less of a boost than water so will have to test out the others.. :)

That's... strange. You sure it wasn't leftovers or one of the drinks with a stat buff?

[WhamyKaBlamy]

Originally posted by Pantherr:

Well this is all quite helpful, thankyou very much everyone... So far the drinks I have found, and used, haven't been helpful actually.. They gave less of a boost than water so will have to test out the others.. :)

That sounds like leftovers or a bonus one. If you got a green circle at the bottom of your screen that was slowly decaying, it was a bonus one. If it was just a green drink, then it was leftovers.

If neither, did you see that there was a bit of a blue bar added to your thirst bar?
All of the other recipes add thirst, but they also add bonus thirst. Some of them don't add a lot of thirst (like 30 for a strawberry colada, but it adds 50 bonus). I don't know if the bonus thirst they add decays slower than the normal thirst, the bonus food does though. You can stack it to 100 as well. So you can have 100 thirst and 100 bonus thirst on top of it, which would give you double the amount of time that a normally filled bar would (maybe more if the thirst decays slower).

Quite possible I'm misunderstanding something though, take that with a pinch of salt.

[Pantherr]

@Bgratz, I didn't know about the "star" ones, thanks.. and that is a big kitchen :)

@KtX2Skd, So 6 is max no matter how many foundations are used..? Good to know, and that drink was one that I picked up in loot while in Temperance. I don't know what it was called though...

@WhamyKaBlamy, Honestly I can't remember there being any bonus. As I mentioned I got it in some loot and needed a drink so I drank it hoping for a drink boost and it barely gave me anything but I don't remember what colour it was or what it was called. I was kinda busy at the time :)

[BGratz]

If it had a bone in it it was a leftover.
Somehow hard to miss this "WTF" joke