@Developers Illegal copy "Survive on Raft" ?

[Suppenkoch]

Hi there,

please pay attention to the following game. It seems to be an illegal copy of yours. I of course have no clue if it is so, but in your interest you may have a look.
Thanks

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1094000/Survive_on_Raft/

[Seaniemaurice]

@Developers - Look into this to see if it is stealing your IP

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1497000/OceanCraft/ is a VR title that looks like a straight up rip off.

Do what you want with this info, but if I was the developer of Raft seeing this be made, I would lose my absolute ♥♥♥♥

[Cr4Kd]

Wow, exactly the same game but VR and lower graphics.

[HeyThere]

Sadly, there's quite a few games that are copies of Raft but look worse.

[nightninjas]

steveman0님이 먼저 게시:

Someone else mentioned that in the other thread but when I took a closer look at the game it didn't seem to align much at all with the core gameplay of Raft. More survival horror style than progressive builder. Also looks more like a dead project than any significantly established game.

i would say try star shelter, its vr focused tho

[Menzagitat]

not quite a copy but who knows how they came up with the idea to make it...
https://store.steampowered.com/app/767490/Last_Wood/

[Urist]

Do keep in mind that these developers do not own the concept of rafts.

[(N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★]

Survive on Raft a direct rip off?

I was trying to suggest the game to a friend and he mentioned a 'Survive on Raft' game.
So I looked at it out of curiosity and a lot of the models and mechanics seem to be a very blatant rip off...

[❃ Galiäna Krüger ❃]

Everything have its own spin off version, not like its exactly the same.

Just like ads, games, video thumbnails, promotions, etc. these days are practically the same. Who's to say who's original other than whoever release the first and earlier?

[Weaver]

Yes it's an obvious cheap crappy knockoff changed just enough it hopes it doesn't get sued into non-existance. Even the name is to confuse people searching for survival games or games called Raft.

[Weaver]

Hell, I just checked, they even locked the forums so only people who bought the game can comment in them so they can't be called out in the forums. And the forums are nothing but wall to wall complaints of it being a buggy mess. Obvious scam. Steam shouldn't let these cons stay up.

[(N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★]

❃ Galiäna Krüger ❃님이 먼저 게시:

Everything have its own spin off version, not like its exactly the same.

Just like ads, games, video thumbnails, promotions, etc. these days are practically the same. Who's to say who's original other than whoever release the first and earlier?

Did you see it?
It is like 100% the same game.
Ripped the name and A LOT of the design looks 1/1 identical.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1094000/Survive_on_Raft/

Like this is pretty lawsuit worthy honestly lol. Its not your typical knock off.

[Weaver]

Look at the developer. All their games are like that. Cheap knockoffs they try to change just enough to not get sued.

[❃ Galiäna Krüger ❃]

(N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★님이 먼저 게시:

❃ Galiäna Krüger ❃님이 먼저 게시:

Everything have its own spin off version, not like its exactly the same.

Just like ads, games, video thumbnails, promotions, etc. these days are practically the same. Who's to say who's original other than whoever release the first and earlier?

Did you see it?
It is like 100% the same game.
Ripped the name and A LOT of the design looks 1/1 identical.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1094000/Survive_on_Raft/

Like this is pretty lawsuit worthy honestly lol. Its not your typical knock off.

yes I saw it in steam store.

and what are you gonna do about it?

They're just gonna claim creative approach, just like those ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ who creates false advertisement for games (mostly mobile) and then say its a "creative approach" to advertise their own game.

Also its not like Raft patented the name and content.

the "genre" itself is a collective of copycats left and right and competition sparks who makes better game fits the genre.

just think about it - FPS every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game pew pew pew first person what's so different about it? every damn fps have CTF, death match, Last man standing and bomb defuse.

(mmo)RPG - you role play heroic protagonist with customization and lean heavily on story line and lots end game content, grind is the hidden sub-gene

RTS - you plan your move, observe your enemy and end turn in your favor

Storyrich - Heavily story base, medium to minimal actions, lots cutscenes

survival - survive the ♥♥♥♥ out of god knows what kind of nasty ♥♥♥♥ people can come up with, be it in nuclear wasteland, after nuclear war, after earth blown to bits, after nuclear winter, on flooded earth, crash plane, crash in water, crash on land, crash in junkyard, survive on a massive spaceship, you name it.

and those are just a few examples.

I'm not standing for "survive on raft" and i don't approve / encourage plagiarism in any industry, but what can you do about it?

what can you do in if any at all in this capitalist world? especially when it comes to not patented creations and creations unable to claim ownership.

It's not like a semiconductor 2mm design method that can claim patent, or a game engine runs in a way that boost certain performance and claim patent, or a cpu chip design and arranged on motherboard differently that can claim patent.

Surviving on water, itself is not enough to claim a patent. hell there's like least a dozen more identical mobile games that looks just like raft. but then again, what CAN you do about it?

Also I only played a few survival game, from what I can see it's more like a mash up between 7D2D surviving on Raft.

[❃ Galiäna Krüger ❃]

Also there's the legal battle cost, you don't see a lot of AAA fighting each other unless its absolutely necessary and it will hurt profit in the long run. And that applies to AA, A, B and smaller developers, studios.

And "good news" is, usually big one don't siphon off small ones, its the other way around, or competition between same tier developers, studios, copying each other off and see who fares better.

You just have to live with the fact that there are always people and their intention is worse than you on your bad day. Some people knows too well manipulate people to maximize their own gains, and bet on the fact that whoever they imprint off don't have the money, power, playerbase to voice up and for legal battle.

Should it result in legal battle, I bet its either end very, very quickly with out-of-court settlement or play the dreadful long drag that drains every penny out of both side and see who forfeit first.

On a side note, here's a few cases each developers, studios sued / suing one another for "copyright infringement.", but since you can't copyright the whole genre or certain things notable that will appear in said genre, it usually ends on debate on graphical, UI similarity fights.......

https://www.goliath.com/gaming/11-video-games-that-resulted-in-major-lawsuits/

https://screenrant.com/controversial-video-game-lawsuits/

https://www.redpoints.com/blog/pubg-sues-fortnite-a-copyright-battle-royale/

[(N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★]

❃ Galiäna Krüger ❃님이 먼저 게시:

(N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★님이 먼저 게시:

Did you see it?
It is like 100% the same game.
Ripped the name and A LOT of the design looks 1/1 identical.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1094000/Survive_on_Raft/

Like this is pretty lawsuit worthy honestly lol. Its not your typical knock off.

yes I saw it in steam store.

and what are you gonna do about it?

They're just gonna claim creative approach, just like those ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ who creates false advertisement for games (mostly mobile) and then say its a "creative approach" to advertise their own game.

Also its not like Raft patented the name and content.

the "genre" itself is a collective of copycats left and right and competition sparks who makes better game fits the genre.

just think about it - FPS every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game pew pew pew first person what's so different about it? every damn fps have CTF, death match, Last man standing and bomb defuse.

(mmo)RPG - you role play heroic protagonist with customization and lean heavily on story line and lots end game content, grind is the hidden sub-gene

RTS - you plan your move, observe your enemy and end turn in your favor

Storyrich - Heavily story base, medium to minimal actions, lots cutscenes

survival - survive the ♥♥♥♥ out of god knows what kind of nasty ♥♥♥♥ people can come up with, be it in nuclear wasteland, after nuclear war, after earth blown to bits, after nuclear winter, on flooded earth, crash plane, crash in water, crash on land, crash in junkyard, survive on a massive spaceship, you name it.

and those are just a few examples.

I'm not standing for "survive on raft" and i don't approve / encourage plagiarism in any industry, but what can you do about it?

what can you do in if any at all in this capitalist world? especially when it comes to not patented creations and creations unable to claim ownership.

It's not like a semiconductor 2mm design method that can claim patent, or a game engine runs in a way that boost certain performance and claim patent, or a cpu chip design and arranged on motherboard differently that can claim patent.

Surviving on water, itself is not enough to claim a patent. hell there's like least a dozen more identical mobile games that looks just like raft. but then again, what CAN you do about it?

Also I only played a few survival game, from what I can see it's more like a mash up between 7D2D surviving on Raft.

I don't think you understand how the law works when it comes to 'creative' approach.

Creative approach has nothing to do with stealing 1:1 mechanics, models, and same general tone of the game.

As for all of the rest, kinda night and day difference with this.
You are comparing games that have completely different tones, settings, and everything to one another. Battlefield 3 or 4 is no way like Call of Duty Modern Warfare, different gimmicks, playstyles, mechanics etc etc.

You are really stretching it with the comparisons you are making.
There is a massive difference between making 'similar' games and making 1:1 copies.

And no, it is a lot more than 'surviving on water'
Hook mechanic for that raft game is too similar.
The shark threat and mechanic is too similar.
The building mechanic and models are too similar.
The materials collected are too similar.
The damn models and objectives are too similar, literally the same exact radar almost.

You can have similarities but you can't really legally make the EXACT game just 'slightly' different.

As for what can be done about it, well if they don't think they can win a case or a cease and desist then they can approach Steam.
Steam has in the past removed developers from their platform for making numerous cash grab games and flood their market and blatant 1:1 ripoffs.

And mind you, game developers have been sued and lost in the past for the exact same thing.... like right now Ubisoft is suing a Chinese developer for a 1:1 Rainbow Six clone. Again, you can do something 'similar' but you can't have numerous identical things like setting, mechanics, models, etc etc. There is not enough different in that game that separates itself as a direct ripoff.

Anyways, the purpose of the thread was to see if the developers knew about it, not to get snarky 'what are you going to do about it' post.