So I gather not as good as Operation Genesis.

[Dodece]

Speaking as someone that positively adored Operation Genesis. I cannot say as I have been all that impressed by what I have seen and heard about this game. In the spirit of judging a game by what it is as opposed to what it is not.

From my understanding it has been rushed to market, and as such is nowhere close to being a complete game. What I am seeing from the outside looking in is a fairly linear, and ultimately very tedious experience. With little to none of the openness that would warrant a replay after the first playthrough. Provided I don't grow bored with the game, and quit halfway through that.

As it stands now it looks like it would offer me between ten to twenty hours of mild entertainment. I generally prefer to see at the very least one hour of fun for each dollar spent. This means that I probably shouldn't pull the trigger until this game gets down to around fifteen dollars. That being said once again based upon my understanding that this game was rushed.

Which leads me to ask the question of whether it is what it is, or whether the developer intends to make it into something much more. Which might be worth considerably more in my eyes. I must confess that I haven't paid all that much attention to this title. So I am not aware of any long term goals they have for this title.

I guess me question is this. Should I just let it sit in my wishlist until it hits my target pricepoint, or should I check back in say three to six months from now to see if the developers have stepped up their game, and no I am not talking about adding new buildings, and introducing new species to the game. Which I gather they intend to charge extra for anyway. I am thinking about the core game itself. Which frankly as it stands now looks like little more then a mobile game, and those aren't worth anything close to sixty dollars.

[Aramus418]

Originally posted by OBahar:

Originally posted by Aramus418:

That said, the area dwarfs anything you could generate on JPOG.

I think you need to watch a video or play it again because you couldn't be more wrong.
Even using the smallest island size on JPOG's slider is larger than Nublar in terms of space.

Set the slider to maximum and it automatically shapes it fairly square-like, perfect for a sandbox mode and more than double JWE's sandbox map at least. And thats the vanilla slider!

If Frontier had made a JPOG2 or just an anniversary edition with new dinos added I feel there'd be way less complaints about the lack of content as well as the lack of a sandbox mode thats actually entertaining. I don't want infinite money, I want to build the park from scratch but I'm not even given an option and all the other islands are too small and mishapen, if I still had a disk drive installed I'd probably be playing JPOG right now!

No no. YOU, sir, could not be more wrong.

The buildings in JPOG were cartoonishly compressed in their design to minimize their footprint. The Visitor Center was a compressed version of the building it imitated and crammed in two helipads to boot. The Ranger station was pretty much just the space for the helipad. The restroom was two port-a-potties. The Kiosk was a glorified hot dog cart with a couple drink machines and the gift shop was carnival stand. The hatchery and cleaner station pretty much wrap up what passed for substantial footprints in JPOG.

By contrast, JWE does not compress. The Innovation Center is full sized. The restaurants, clothing store, bowling alley, etc. are all full sized. ACU is more than just a helipad. The Ranger Station takes up a considerable footprint too. The old Hatchery would fit inside a Hammond Creation Lab several times over. The small power station dwarfs, yes, dwarfs, the cleaner station, and you need more large power stations to run a full park than I ever needed cleaner stations.

A large square (flat, featureless, bland) island feels like a great expanse with 10-15 dino species, from 6/10-12 dig sites, and a nice fog effect obscuring what was a decent draw distance for 15 years ago (it has the same effect as painting a small room white). That's why so many people like you say, "boohoo! I can't fit all 48 dinos in the sandbox because it's sooooo small! JPOG was better!" Because in JWE: I can zoom in to ground level and see the far corner of the map, buildings are bigger, there are more buildings needed to maintain effective infrastructure (even if you ignore food/drink/shopping/fun demands), there are 4-5 times as many dinos available (all 48, from all 30+ digsites), and they're all terribly fussy about their space requirements so when you can't feasibly fit all of them it's inevitably a considerable disappointment (turns out, when herbs can rampage too suddenly it gets trickier to skip on space for their pens; but pay that no mind, that would require admitting that JWE is deeper than JPOG), and set all of that in the boxed-in feeling that the Nublar map's high cliffs has vs. the open ocean on the border of every JPOG map. Sprinkle some nostalgia for the older title, and the end result is that you've been deceived about the comparative space between JPOG and JWE.

Now don't get me wrong, I want THE. WHOLE. DAMN. ISLAND. too (for Nublar and the 5 Deaths). But all these people making favorable comparisons to JPOG are comparing a cartoon mile to photo-realistic kilometer and somehow finding the kilometer lacking.

[Garslock]

Originally posted by John Wolff:

I think this looks boring compared to JPOG. Does it even have a tornado? Does it even have a Site B where dinos could just roam freely without fences? I heard its sandbox mode has a very confined Isla Nublar that's limited in size.

All this for $60? No thanks. GTA V had a lot more content than this. THAT's worth $60. Not this.

Yes it has tornados, and yes it has site B, and yes Dinosaurs roam free. As another one has said before me, try and take the rose tinted glasses off that everyone has over jpog, it’s a good game but compared to this, it does not compete in any aspect other than the AI. Try 2 hours, if it’s not your thing refund.

[Inardesco]

JPOG wasn't that good to begin with anyway. Very barebones. Most people talk about "herding" and "pack" hunting but that wasn't really a thing in JPOG either. It's very much the same what they do in this game; they like a certain spot in the paddock and try to maintain their distance towards it. Unlike in JPOG, the animals in JW:E can actually become p!ssed if there's too many dinosaurs around or not enough of the same species. That didn't exist in JPOG.

Nor are the large maps really a thing. Sure...you can build on the entire island but honestly, you only need about 1/5th of the island to create a 5star park since all you actually need is one large pen for the herbivores and seperate pens for your carnivores.

The only thing that JPOG does "better" are the guests. But at the same time, that's translated into the facility rating for JW:E. The main thing I do dislike for JW:E is that it doesn't seem to matter if half your park get's eaten because you're not penalised for it. I personally always upped the penalty for visitor casualty in JPOG from 5.000$ to 50.000$ so that visitor safety was more paramount. That said, all you need in JPOG is a light fence because the animals never break out unless there's a twister flying around.

The animals in JW:E are actually quite difficult to appease. Some can manage living in a paddock filled to the brim with animals, others will get annoyed the moment there are more than 8-10-12 animals in the paddock, regardless of what species it is.

[Rednas165]

Originally posted by OBahar:

Originally posted by Aramus418:

That said, the area dwarfs anything you could generate on JPOG.

I think you need to watch a video or play it again because you couldn't be more wrong.
Even using the smallest island size on JPOG's slider is larger than Nublar in terms of space.

Set the slider to maximum and it automatically shapes it fairly square-like, perfect for a sandbox mode and more than double JWE's sandbox map at least. And thats the vanilla slider!

If Frontier had made a JPOG2 or just an anniversary edition with new dinos added I feel there'd be way less complaints about the lack of content as well as the lack of a sandbox mode thats actually entertaining. I don't want infinite money, I want to build the park from scratch but I'm not even given an option and all the other islands are too small and mishapen, if I still had a disk drive installed I'd probably be playing JPOG right now!

Well if they made a JPOG2 then alot of casual gamers would not have bought it.. And most of those casual players dont want a game were you just build stuff as they probelly get bored with that fast.The hardcore JPOG fanboys are not enough to pay for the entire game

[NeuNeu89]

So you pay like 3 dollar per hour of fun, building and managing a dinosaur park in 3D, with differents task, possibilitys, lots of dinos, lot of infos about dinos, you can even pilot an helicopter to shoot dart on a T-Rex, or take photos of damn raptors while they're socialising before tryign to escape to eat the toursits.

But it's not enough.... Really ?!

I understand a lot of the complaints, and yes the game have some issues, but are people so picky about game they cant see that, sometime, 20h can be as good as 200 horus on another game ?

I buyd the game like 2 days ago and rushed it, had a lot of fun, had some great dinos esacpes and mission to deal, and except some things to do to unlock the ingen database, i only have to make a park in creative mode.

And you know what ? I'm really OK to have paid 60 bucks for this. I've watch again all jurassic Park movies, and play nothing more for the week, and even watched documentarys and movies about dinos...

Yes, the game is relatively easy if someone like games like this, has cons and pros, but really, we should consider time or money a thing.

Juste, have fun, be a kid and enjoy things. Life is short to not bother abotu the things the old game. Lets just be kids and have fun watching damn t-rex or raptors eating fresh meat with a smile...

[Orion]

JPOG is not a good game in any way, it's unplayable winthout mods and most people only like it for Nostalgia.

This game is way better than JPOG, it's an actual good game. It has it's issues, but it's great. I find it impossible to go back to JPOG after playing this game, JWE has a future, it's doing well and Frontier said that if Uni allows it, it's 3 years of support like their other games.
This game has better AI
Better graphics
Better gameplay
Better logic
Actual characters (there were none in JPOG, only the ilusion of having them)
This game is better than JPOG in every possible way.
It was rushed, yes, but it's still a great experience, the game can offer a minimun of 50 hours if you try to farm all achievemnts and even more if you decide to stick around on the Sandbox or remake the earlier islands when you unlocked everything.
It's a Tycoon, replayability comes down to how you will build stuff. This game is easely a 7.9/10, just needing minor fixes for it to be an solid 8. The game is barely 2 weeks old and I have had way more fun with it than with JPOG 10 years ago. It all comes down to you, are you looking for a Tycoon Jurassic Park game or just a rerash of JPOG(even tho JPOG is pretty terrible with no mods)? The game was worth the price for me. Already spent over 100 hours and plan on spending more, the Devs are good and interact with the community, the game received a free DLC 1 week after launch, Devs are teasing more and they are known for amazing post launch support. It's up to you, don't let your Nostalgia for a old average game hype you up for a game that is just the same genre.

[DiViNe NeKO]

This is Genesis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL80KRHmQnQ

This is Jurrasic World

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq4Y9PHYKiQ

You are probably just wallowing in nostalgia for a game you liked but this is much better game.

[Sky Monster]

I thought it was worth it in the end. I'm usually pretty picky about which games I buy, especially at this price point. Only recent mistake I've made is PUBG (peer pressured...). You won't reach your $1=Hour unfortunately. It took about 30-35 hours to finish all the missions.

AI seems simplistic but only if you follow the dinosaurs around for a while. If you're trying to do missions or contracts there's other things you should probably be focusing on, I guess that's why Frontier figured it was good enough.

Nublar seems pointless with no economy or difficult missions applied to it. Hopefully they can think of something, but I doubt they would be able to get the film cameos back to do voice acting for them.

I replayed JPOG for a week before finally buying this. Evolution does some things better and some worse. It's difficult to compare games with almost 2 decades between them.

If you can hold off to see what Frontier plan to do with the game that might be a good idea. If they leave it as it is right now it will be disappointing.

[Lupus]

few posts removed. Please discuss topics, not each other. Thanks.

[Zpwarrior]

People need to take off their nostalgic goggles and come back to the real world. JPOG was great for its time, but it really doesnt stand the test of time. I redownloaded it awhile back and couldnt even play it for 5 minutes before being done. Now is evolution the best it can be, no and I believe they will keep updating it. In my honest opinion, I like the new one just as much, especially if they listen to the community and make some changes.

[TacticalWendigo]

Evolution is considerably simplified in many ways, especially financial management and guest behaviors. As well JPOG had significantly better statistics and information you could pull about how people felt and different types of guests interests.
Evolution has its strengths but none of the Frontier games are particularly heavy on the risk side of management. Short of trying to it is almost impossible to have a park fail financially.