The Best DLC Dinosaur

[gzilladude]

So which DLC Dinosaur would you say is your favorite?

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I Don't Really Want This Game To Be Accurate, I Just Want The Dinosaurs Too Look Cool,
I Know Some People Just Want Realistic Dinosaurs, Jurassic World Isn't About Realism. Some Games That (From What I Know) are More Accurate, Are ARK: Survival Evolved, and Saurian

ARK? Are you serious? That's like the most inaccurate there is. Those are just fantasy monsters.
Jurassic park, and Jurassic World to a lesser extent still has a fair balance of accuracy and what's cool.

Saurian specifically presents itself as accurate. So yes that's about as accurate as it gets.

Quote on quote "accurate" Even though these band of heavily devoted Paleoartists and etc are top dinosaur experts and sought guidance from the top leading Paleontologists, the game is a full blown mess in terms of where they received their information and specifically how accurate the dinosaurs are. For example, the addition of the interior seaway which had long since receded into Canada or the sound design for their Tyrannosaurus. Now, I could go into more deep insights on why Saurian's devs have failed to make a decent accurate dinosaur game, but I said enough for today and besides they were a bit too overconfident in their practices.

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The feathers were just to make a point. Also I fail to see how the Suchomimus is fairly accurate when it has those carputunel hands and the thumb claw is small in proportion to the other two digits; and all the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park/World have pronated hands so that is pretty much irrelevant to point out. Regardless the Allosaurus is by far the most accurate of all the theropods in the game with the Herrerasaurus following in line. Although I do question how big they made the Herrerasaurus.

So you just ignore everything I said in the post you quoted and then restate your same claim? Nice.

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The feathers were just to make a point. Also I fail to see how the Suchomimus is fairly accurate when it has those carputunel hands and the thumb claw is small in proportion to the other two digits; and all the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park/World have pronated hands so that is pretty much irrelevant to point out. Regardless the Allosaurus is by far the most accurate of all the theropods in the game with the Herrerasaurus following in line. Although I do question how big they made the Herrerasaurus.

So you just ignore everything I said in the post you quoted and then restate your same claim? Nice.

And you are going to distort everything I said and use it against me. As of this point we might as well be in a debate, there are plenty of other features I can point out that makes the Suchomimus more inaccurate than Allosaurus in JWE; pointing out the large sickle claw on its hand was the better choice.

[Jynn]

I have a few favorites. I don't strive for complete accuracy since this IS a jurassic park / world game and thus that's never going to happen, but leaning more towards accurate is better for me than outright fake monsters like Sinoceratops or Stegosaurus (man how i miss the Lost World stegosaurus compared to this stunted, deformed thing =( )

Suchomimus - Looks great, has proper wrist position unlike the other theropods with their broken wrists (barring a few of its animations where it twists its hands again)

Ouranosaurus - other than extremely bland skin choices, (man they really missed an opportunity to do some cool patterns), the model itself i like and i like its animations. I like that they went with a hump instead of a sail

Euoplocephalus - One of the better looking dinos, i think, actually has real anklyosaurid plates rather than spikey monstrosities like the Anklyosaurus in game and i find him rather cute

Olorotitan - While not entirely accurate, it's still one of my favorites and has a very elegant look to it. Has some nice skins too

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ARK? Are you serious? That's like the most inaccurate there is. Those are just fantasy monsters.
Jurassic park, and Jurassic World to a lesser extent still has a fair balance of accuracy and what's cool.

Saurian specifically presents itself as accurate. So yes that's about as accurate as it gets.

Quote on quote "accurate" Even though these band of heavily devoted Paleoartists and etc are top dinosaur experts and sought guidance from the top leading Paleontologists, the game is a full blown mess in terms of where they received their information and specifically how accurate the dinosaurs are. For example, the addition of the interior seaway which had long since receded into Canada or the sound design for their Tyrannosaurus. Now, I could go into more deep insights on why Saurian's devs have failed to make a decent accurate dinosaur game, but I said enough for today and besides they were a bit too overconfident in their practices.

because you know better, right? =P more so than those heavily devoted paleoartists advised by dinosaur experts and top leading paleontologists

even if not 100% entirely accurate, it is still more accurate than anything else that's out there, so i'd still call it a decent accurate dinosaur game.

[roukera]

For me, it's a tie between Iguanodon (pretty, can fight back, has a cute eating animation and seeing it punt small carnivores is always hilarious), and Carcharodontosaurus (cool looking, awesome roar, and just overall nice to have imo).

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I have a few favorites. I don't strive for complete accuracy since this IS a jurassic park / world game and thus that's never going to happen, but leaning more towards accurate is better for me than outright fake monsters like Sinoceratops or Stegosaurus (man how i miss the Lost World stegosaurus compared to this stunted, deformed thing =( )

Suchomimus - Looks great, has proper wrist position unlike the other theropods with their broken wrists (barring a few of its animations where it twists its hands again)

Ouranosaurus - other than extremely bland skin choices, (man they really missed an opportunity to do some cool patterns), the model itself i like and i like its animations. I like that they went with a hump instead of a sail

Euoplocephalus - One of the better looking dinos, i think, actually has real anklyosaurid plates rather than spikey monstrosities like the Anklyosaurus in game and i find him rather cute

Olorotitan - While not entirely accurate, it's still one of my favorites and has a very elegant look to it. Has some nice skins too

Agree to disagree. The designs both Ian Joyner and Jama Jurabaev did for their JW's dinosaurs are were tasteless and disrespected what Spielberg wanted these creatures to be in the long run even "stealing" work the notorious Mark "Crash" McCreery himself just to redesign some of these animals. However, I have to say disagree with your opinion of some of the dinosaurs listed below.

Mentioned yesterday it is completely irrelevant to point out the wrist articulation in theropod dinosaurs in terms of Jurassic Park; when the Suchomimus also pronates its hands from time to time. The Ouranosaurus' basic skin is decent and fairs in comparison to the JPOG or Steamblust's skin design for the animal. However, the entire animal itself is tragically inaccurate in every detail, Ouranosaurus were well-built for quadrupedal and bipedal movement, but were not good runners also it is missing its trademark thumb spike (real Ouranosaurs have thumb spikes) and only has four fingered digits. Plus the face itself looks like a Platypus or a Duck and I am not paying to have Perry the Platypus featured in Jurassic World.

Next up is Euoplocephalus. I find it hard to believe that you'd point the finger at Jurassic Park's depiction of an Ankylosaurus' scutes when the Euoplocephalus has those exact same monstrosities on its back as well. You're opinion on the Olorotitan is very questionable as well since you don't explain what makes this hadrosaur inaccurate, other than it mostly stands bipedally.

Regardless there is something we can all admire about most of the dinosaurs and it is their skin designs some more than others (though I really wish Andy Fletcher and his design team would be more creative than lazy when designing the game).

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You will note i said i didn't require 100% accuracy in order to like something, right? =P All i wanted was a decent looking fake dinosaur that at least tried to look better than the usual trash jurassic world throws at us

not exactly sure why you feel the need to pick apart peoples' answers to the OP's question thougth. Are you just bored? OP asks what people like, they list what they like. And then you have to voice your opinion on why they're choices are wrong xD just seems...confusing, to me. It's their opinion, they can like what they like

i hate sinoceratops in this game, for example. It's a potato and a rhino mashed together with a frill and long tail tacked on. It's awful. It looks nothing like how a Sinoceratops should look, not even a decent fake version of it, and thus I severely dislike it. but i'm not going to go after someone that likes it and tell them they're wrong wrong wrong wrong for liking it and here's why xD

I guess agree to disagree, as you said

but, ultimately, i pointed out the DLC dinos i liked as OP asked. They are not 100% accurate, nothing in this game is. But i like them regardless, and i gave my reasons. Would i like them better 100% accurate? Yes. But that's what Prehistoric Kingdom is for.

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You will note i said i didn't require 100% accuracy in order to like something, right? =P All i wanted was a decent looking fake dinosaur that at least tried to look better than the usual trash jurassic world throws at us

not exactly sure why you feel the need to pick apart peoples' answers to the OP's question thougth. Are you just bored? OP asks what people like, they list what they like. And then you have to voice your opinion on why they're choices are wrong xD just seems...confusing, to me. It's their opinion, they can like what they like

i hate sinoceratops in this game, for example. It's a potato and a rhino mashed together with a frill and long tail tacked on. It's awful. It looks nothing like how a Sinoceratops should look, not even a decent fake version of it, and thus I severely dislike it. but i'm not going to go after someone that likes it and tell them they're wrong wrong wrong wrong for liking it and here's why xD

I guess agree to disagree, as you said

but, ultimately, i pointed out the DLC dinos i liked as OP asked. They are not 100% accurate, nothing in this game is. But i like them regardless, and i gave my reasons. Would i like them better 100% accurate? Yes. But that's what Prehistoric Kingdom is for.

Maybe not, but that's how it come off especially when it came down to the ending of your reply to me. For starters I was not picking apart at your answer only stating my opinion of the matter. Everybody has the right to their opinions right? Second that is the whole point of an explanation when stating your opinion. In this case it wasn't you were projecting your personal feelings onto some dinosaurs for having some of the most mundane inaccuracies known to man.

Moreover I already know the reason why you hate Sinoceratops it's the same reason why most people probably hate the design because the artist, Jama Jurabeav, did not bother to look into Paleontological references much. What I asking only from you is why you thought Olorotitan was kinda inaccurate.

[Jynn]

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Moreover I already know the reason why you hate Sinoceratops it's the same reason why most people probably hate the design because the artist, Jama Jurabeav, did not bother to look into Paleontological references much. What I asking only from you is why you thought Olorotitan was kinda inaccurate.

Olorotitan, as you stated already, should walk bipedally. I also feel its legs and neck might be a bit on the thin side than would be realistic.

But ultimately, this thread is for people to give their opinions on their favorites. Whether those favorites are inaccurate or not doesn't invalidate the chosen DLC dinosaur as their favorite. I just don't understand the text walls of inaccuracies you feel the need to post for peoples' lists of favorites =P

there are inaccuracies in all of them, some more than others. Just because the few inaccuracies in the ones i like are there does not mean i can't like them, nor does it mean you or i are in the wrong. We're both entitled to our opinions, and there isn't any reason to argue over those opinions because there never will be a winner in subjective opinion

i wish more of the dinosaurs in game could have been given the same care as some of the ceratopsids like Pentaceratops or Styracosaurus. I think they look the best, regardless of what inaccuracies might be present in them still, they at least look more like the real thing than the jurassic world assets that were used.

and i'll never get over them using the jurassic world stegosaurus instead of the much better lost world stegosaurus. It's just sad https://reptilis.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Comparison.jpg

all the dinosaur models have nose dived in jurassic world, even the ones that were decent (even if still inaccurate) in previous films

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Moreover I already know the reason why you hate Sinoceratops it's the same reason why most people probably hate the design because the artist, Jama Jurabeav, did not bother to look into Paleontological references much. What I asking only from you is why you thought Olorotitan was kinda inaccurate.

Olorotitan, as you stated already, should walk bipedally. I also feel its legs and neck might be a bit on the thin side than would be realistic.

But ultimately, this thread is for people to give their opinions on their favorites. Whether those favorites are inaccurate or not doesn't invalidate the chosen DLC dinosaur as their favorite. I just don't understand the text walls of inaccuracies you feel the need to post for peoples' lists of favorites =P

there are inaccuracies in all of them, some more than others. Just because the few inaccuracies in the ones i like are there does not mean i can't like them, nor does it mean you or i are in the wrong. We're both entitled to our opinions, and there isn't any reason to argue over those opinions because there never will be a winner in subjective opinion

i wish more of the dinosaurs in game could have been given the same care as some of the ceratopsids like Pentaceratops or Styracosaurus. I think they look the best, regardless of what inaccuracies might be present in them still, they at least look more like the real thing than the jurassic world assets that were used.

and i'll never get over them using the jurassic world stegosaurus instead of the much better lost world stegosaurus. It's just sad https://reptilis.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Comparison.jpg

all the dinosaur models have nose dived in jurassic world, even the ones that were decent (even if still inaccurate) in previous films

Correction. I said Olorotitan should be able to walk in both a bipedal and quadrupel stance. And nobody really knows how much mass of muscle or fat an Olorotitan had in its neck so its speculative, check out most paleoarts of this dinosaur and you'll see what I mean.

Second and foremost people are discussing about accuracies and inaccuracies in this thread, me being a self-taught Paleontologists (in training) I am not going to sit down and not educate the dino-fans. So again we're all entitled to our opinions, but the flaw to your said opinion is that there is no victor in a dispute over the most "accurate" Jurassic Park dinosaur in game, which is clearly not the case if you point all the key points to that argument; who, meaning the person in general, are you to disagree entirely?

Also to answer the third paragraph the Pentaceratops and Styracosaurus are practically the most accurate ceratopsians in the game with quill-like integuments being a hereditary trait, since preserved skin proves Triceratops didn't have any, it doesn't matter whether Frontier added the quills or not... that is until we have further fossil evidence. The only thing that seems to be inaccurate are the hind legs on Pentaceratops... there is no photographs taken of any of the complete specimens so I can say for sure if its legs were this gracile or not. But the posture surely is wrong though.

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So you just ignore everything I said in the post you quoted and then restate your same claim? Nice.

And you are going to distort everything I said and use it against me. As of this point we might as well be in a debate, there are plenty of other features I can point out that makes the Suchomimus more inaccurate than Allosaurus in JWE; pointing out the large sickle claw on its hand was the better choice.

I'm not sure I distorted anything. I made several points on how Allosaurus is quite inaccurate and the Albertosaurus is really a lot better, which you ignored. Suchomimus was mostly besides the main point.


JWE Allosaurus accuracy:

Bad
wrists - incorrectly pronated
spines on the back - kinda implausible but not impossible, no structures like this are known in theropods
large crocodile scales - implausible, large scales like this are not known in theropods. Only the scales of Carnotaurus vaguely resembles this, but not really.
lack of lips - probably incorrect as it seems likely that most theropods had a type of covering for their teeth. Not unlike the raptors in JP/JW
caudofemoralis tail muscle - inaccurate, like the wrists, this is one of the most common mistakes. The caudofemoralis seems to be mostly missing on the lower half of the tail. It should be nice and fat instead of skinny like this.

Neutral?
lack of feathers - we know of Concavonator and it's quill knobs. But this doesn't mean Allosaurus would have had them perse. Other than that we don't really know much about the covering of Allosauroids. And the lack of feathers is standard for JWE anyway so it seems kinda redundant to make an issue out of this.

Good
overly large brow crests - very plausible. These would have been covered in keratin and likely extended beyond their bony base.
general shape - the general shape of this design is pretty good.

All in all I think the Allosaurus has a pretty good design. But it's definitely not very accurate.

JWE Albertosaurus accuracy:
Bad
lack of lips - like with Allosaurus, it likely had some lip covering.
lack of feathers - We know of dinofuzz within Tyrannosauroidea. So far no Tyrannosaurids have been found to have feathers and skin impressions with scales are known for T.rex. Smooth skin is known for Gorgosaurus. It could kinda go either way. It seems likely that most Tyrannosaurids might have had at least some fuzz. Perhaps more northern Tyrannosaurids might have had more fuzz, southern ones might have had less. It's hard to tell.

Neutral?
general skull shape - It seems to have been more based on Gorgosaurus libratus than on Albertosaurus sarcophagus. in short, Gorgosaurus has a more slender snout and more pronounced brows. But these two animals are very closely related and some scientists consider the genus Gorgosaurus to be a junior synonym of Albertosaurus. So it would be Albertosaurus libratus.

Good
wrists - unlike most theropods in the game, the wrists are in the correct position.
overly large brow crests - very plausible. These would have been covered in keratin and likely extended beyond their bony base.
smoother skin - accurate
caudofemoralis tail muscle - good, nice and fat

Overall this design doesn't have any major flaws, looks fairly unique as well so I'd say it's one of the better theropod designs in the game.

JWE Suchomimus accuracy:
Bad
claw size - as you mentioned, the thumb claw isn't nearly big enough
snout notch - though not that big a deal, the notch in the upper jaw should be more pronounced.
caudofemoralis tail muscle - incorrect, it seems to be mostly missing

Neutral
wrists - it has a bit better hand posture than most theropods in the game. But sometimes it still bends it's wrists into impossible shapes. Not the best, not the worst.

Good
overall shape - the overall shape is actually quite good, the skull isn't perfect but it comes fairly close.

By far the most accurate spinosaurid in the game (though that isn't hard when competing with Baryonyx and Spinosaurus.)


There are definitely some good designs in the game. Some quite accurate. But there are also some really bad ones (looking at you Deinonychus.)

And on a side note I have to agree that the Styracosaurus is also one of the better designs.

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And you are going to distort everything I said and use it against me. As of this point we might as well be in a debate, there are plenty of other features I can point out that makes the Suchomimus more inaccurate than Allosaurus in JWE; pointing out the large sickle claw on its hand was the better choice.

I'm not sure I distorted anything. I made several points on how Allosaurus is quite inaccurate and the Albertosaurus is really a lot better, which you ignored. Suchomimus was mostly besides the main point.


JWE Allosaurus accuracy:

Bad
wrists - incorrectly pronated
spines on the back - kinda implausible but not impossible, no structures like this are known in theropods
large crocodile scales - implausible, large scales like this are not known in theropods. Only the scales of Carnotaurus vaguely resembles this, but not really.
lack of lips - probably incorrect as it seems likely that most theropods had a type of covering for their teeth. Not unlike the raptors in JP/JW
caudofemoralis tail muscle - inaccurate, like the wrists, this is one of the most common mistakes. The caudofemoralis seems to be mostly missing on the lower half of the tail. It should be nice and fat instead of skinny like this.

Neutral?
lack of feathers - we know of Concavonator and it's quill knobs. But this doesn't mean Allosaurus would have had them perse. Other than that we don't really know much about the covering of Allosauroids. And the lack of feathers is standard for JWE anyway so it seems kinda redundant to make an issue out of this.

Good
overly large brow crests - very plausible. These would have been covered in keratin and likely extended beyond their bony base.
general shape - the general shape of this design is pretty good.

All in all I think the Allosaurus has a pretty good design. But it's definitely not very accurate.

JWE Albertosaurus accuracy:
Bad
lack of lips - like with Allosaurus, it likely had some lip covering.
lack of feathers - We know of dinofuzz within Tyrannosauroidea. So far no Tyrannosaurids have been found to have feathers and skin impressions with scales are known for T.rex. Smooth skin is known for Gorgosaurus. It could kinda go either way. It seems likely that most Tyrannosaurids might have had at least some fuzz. Perhaps more northern Tyrannosaurids might have had more fuzz, southern ones might have had less. It's hard to tell.

Neutral?
general skull shape - It seems to have been more based on Gorgosaurus libratus than on Albertosaurus sarcophagus. in short, Gorgosaurus has a more slender snout and more pronounced brows. But these two animals are very closely related and some scientists consider the genus Gorgosaurus to be a junior synonym of Albertosaurus. So it would be Albertosaurus libratus.

Good
wrists - unlike most theropods in the game, the wrists are in the correct position.
overly large brow crests - very plausible. These would have been covered in keratin and likely extended beyond their bony base.
smoother skin - accurate
caudofemoralis tail muscle - good, nice and fat

Overall this design doesn't have any major flaws, looks fairly unique as well so I'd say it's one of the better theropod designs in the game.

JWE Suchomimus accuracy:
Bad
claw size - as you mentioned, the thumb claw isn't nearly big enough
snout notch - though not that big a deal, the notch in the upper jaw should be more pronounced.
caudofemoralis tail muscle - incorrect, it seems to be mostly missing

Neutral
wrists - it has a bit better hand posture than most theropods in the game. But sometimes it still bends it's wrists into impossible shapes. Not the best, not the worst.

Good
overall shape - the overall shape is actually quite good, the skull isn't perfect but it comes fairly close.

By far the most accurate spinosaurid in the game (though that isn't hard when competing with Baryonyx and Spinosaurus.)


There are definitely some good designs in the game. Some quite accurate. But there are also some really bad ones (looking at you Deinonychus.)

And on a side note I have to agree that the Styracosaurus is also one of the better designs.

For the record once again the wrists and lack of feathers are irrelevant as all of JP's theropods suffer from this. Second most non-coelurosaurian dinosaurs had no feathers to begin with, all except during their infancy.

Moreover on the skin imprints, there is no simple evidence to confirm what skin an Allosaurus would have, so far all we have is a small imprint from a juvenile. So something that we already knew is proven from this juvi Allosaurus. There you go projecting again; Concavenator is a Carcharodontosaur; even though it is a relative of the Allosaurus this group of Allosauroids were far more advanced; in addition those quills are still being debated over (unfortunately). Furthermore it isn't impossible for an Allosaurus to have spinal osteoderms, until there is more evidence it is speculative. In terms of Paleontology it can get tricky to determine whether an extinct animal had these sorts of features henceforth why most Paleoartist depict the Allosaurus with osteoderms on its back or with overly dramatic brow horns.

It completely baffling that you could project on dinosaurs. Phylogenetics can be sometimes be as simple as math. If the men in your family are traited with genes that make them go bald as they age then you're bound to go bald too. Same thing applies to dinosaurs like the Tyrannosaurs; all Coelurosaurian dinosaurs are feathered in some stage, shape, or form during their lives. Tyrannosaurs are no exception. More or less they adults tyrannosaurids shed go through balding like Vultures do today, but the integument pattern can be completely speculative; so it doesn't matter as I mentioned earlier. Funny also you'd mentioned that because I recently read article analyzing on the different art reconstructions Velociraptor soft tissues to form the lips. It is again generally speculative nobody ones how much the lips covered Allosaurus' mouth same goes for Albertosaurus. For all we know some teeth likely showed while some didn't. Velociraptor lip construction is creditable towards Crash McCreery's design. Nevertheless the caudal muscles that connect to the Allosaurus' leg and tail seem to be alright... despite all the estimates there is no evidence to confirm how much muscle mass a dinosaur would really have.

To make this short and go into Suchomimus. In comparison to the holotype the notch is well pronounced and is leading with large conical teeth, like its real-world counterpart.

The caudofemoralis is there. Retorting what was said before there is no evidence to determine how much muscle mass a dinosaur has we can only make an estimate.

You should also said the wrist articulation was redundant as well. What did you expect Jurassic Park's Suchomimus to do? Though you did point where the Suchomimus' good and bad traits there are two things you missed out. It's posture and spinal vertebrae not only is the Suchomimus' spinal ridge smaller than its accurate counterpart and should more profound near the hip, but it's posture has it lumbering towards the ground as if it were too front heavy.

From what I add up you pointed out 2 or 4 key features that could be accurate or inaccurate about both the Sucho and Allo. From what it looks like you the Allosaurus seems to be the most accurate and the Sucho following behind. Now I have to go shopping before it gets dark so if you're going to discuss some more I won't be here. So have a great evening.

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So... Again you ignore almost everything I mentioned about Albertosaurus.
The wrists aren't a huge deal. But the thing is that it's an easy fix. Such changes in posture aren't very hard to fix. And I for one am very happy Frontier seems to have listened to the community when they introduced the Albertosaurus with correct wrist posture.

The skin of Allosaurus, just no. There is no evidence for skin like this in theropods. The only reason you see similar skin covering in many palaeoart examples is because too many artists sadly copy each other. But they have no basis in science and are pure speculation. The reason those things are added is because they look cool. Using phylogenetic bracketing one can figure out the likely possible skin covering.
You mentioned skin impression for Allosaurus, I have not seen this. Could you link to it? Other than that I am unaware of any other integument known from Allosauroids. As I said, the only other example I know of is the Concavenator. Yes Carcharodontosaurids are more advanced. But if those quillknobs on Concavenator are indeed the base for protofeathers that means it's ancestral to the whole group, which includes Allosaurus.

Using phylogenetics isn't fullproof though. As we know, elephants are mammals. Mammals have fur covering ancestrally. But elephants do not have a full fur covering. They only have some light covering of hair. The same could be true for some "advanced" large theropods.

The Caudofemoralis is definitely not completely speculative. muscle scars and weight estimates of dinosaurs can give you a minimum size needed for the muscle. Both the Suchomimus and Allosaurus don't even have the muscle visible in their designs. Albertosaurus does with the fatter underside. Spinosaurus does as well btw.

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