i was wrong about esp

[Amorphos_Z]

so i got a new account direct on ubisoft, got some you tube pro settings which included turning esp off. before when i done that my cars were uncontrollable, i should probably have reinstalled. anyways its off now and i have a lot more control and hence speed because its working now, not to mention i dont get all the lag and errors.

soz to all those i insulted!

still some dubious times out there but hey i got to get used to the new behaviour, so we'll see.

[Ham uwu 6969]

Glad to see you tried ESP off, but I still had to say ESP off doesn't affect laptime performance much with it on, just the behavior of car changed. Still, I prefer it off just for oversteer on demand.

[( ( < < <🤖> > > ) )]

thats ok...

but now you have to do all the stuff in the summit
and be top 3000 for the next 6 months just so we
know your really sorry..

[Amorphos_Z]

haha ya sure, with no nitro or scorebreaker sets! hey there are still guys with way faster vehicles, - trying aero up on same cars they use, see if that does the trick

guys online said turn off drift assist too. did that and it was horrible and not faster. i sometimes wonder if there was any point in the handling update at all.

oh and one more gripe lol, i went on harlem east and noticed the devs didnt widen the ramp, they just moved it right, so now everyone just goes down the left hand side doh.

[Ham uwu 6969]

the point of handling update? just go to TC and compare old handling to new handling one.

Drift assist dont do anything when you are not sliding, but when you so you sure hope it's on, it countersteer for you, so it limit the spinout.

increasing aero is a tradeoff sometimes, might increase steering at the cost of losing rear end grip, and works well on slow corner and kill you on high speed corner. Not all car can handle it.

City track always suck, bumpy, cuts, jumps...

[( ( < < <🤖> > > ) )]

i have learnt a few tricks from these summit vids

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsLIPupxSdI

[Amorphos_Z]

well i increase steering by having comp +4 over reb at front with camber 1, 0. if that isnt enough a more drastic measure is rear tyre grip 9. the exact opposite for more grip - if more aero is used on suitable cars.

my complaint about handling is that i really like it, but it seams the more you destroy it the faster cars go.

still some people with much faster acceleration on city races, even after using akors settings and taking advice from people with said faster cars. not sure if they are teasing me about drift at 0 lol, akors settings have it on 10, but traction 8 abs 7 esp 0. atm i am just using esp at 0 but kept the traction as it seams to make bikes slower [ and lambos ]. my s2000 is fast now tho :)

[Ham uwu 6969]

Best to have a reliable track you can benchmark on, then only you can tell which tune is best for you. Laptimes are the best way to compare.

Still, DA really does nothing when you are not sliding/drifting, and all it does is countersteer more for you when drifting/sliding. On a race, you should be gripping mostly, so DA should make no difference.

The only time I ever reduce tyre grip is only on drift event.

[( ( < < <🤖> > > ) )]

the acceleration thing is funny... if your both pressing the nitro
at the same time and someone seems to just flash further down
the track.....

in the mind it dont make sense when you see it...

[Ham uwu 6969]

Different car has different nitro power/acceleration, and also nitro at near full has more power than near empty. Its usually those reasons.

[Lady Dormouse]

Originally posted by ragefifty50:

thats ok...

but now you have to do all the stuff in the summit
and be top 3000 for the next 6 months just so we
know your really sorry..

LOL That was good. Thanks for the smile and laugh. =)

[Amorphos_Z]

just so you know Ham, front tyre grip 9 massively reduces oversteer. its pretty much all a honda needs lol. i read about it online, all the pro settings were explained.
according to that, drift makes cars 'more aggressive' - not faster. akor doesnt turn it down at all. he does have traction at 8 and abs at 7, don't know if that makes cars faster.

the esp as far as i know is the only assist which uses braking at corners, so that much definitely slow you down.

aero up and i loose 5 seconds at least, cos it makes my cars corner like they are on ice.

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conclusion, i am still none the wiser on what GAINS a massive acceleration increase.

totally mystified by it, which is a shame cos i'd love to race all those guys on an equal footing. ah well i guess they will always end up at empty lobbies doh.

[Ham uwu 6969]

Using my stock aero and max grip, the car already feel understeery in corner, idk why would you even reduce the front grip.

Went and did rear grip at 9, car still feel the same in corner, but feel like its about to lose the rear end, and it does hurt my launch a little. Since I only grip run, so it really does nothing until i manage to make the rear lose grip.

Making the rear end loose might seems good, which allows for aggressive oversteer, but in truth it's always slower than gripping through the corner. Why? How much you can corner is pretty much dictates by your front tyre steering, and rear tyre is just to hold it across. Having not enough grip at rear means you can't use your front grip fully, because you would just spin out under excessive steering.

How much cornering speed you get dictates by the lowest grip tyre, either the front or the rear, because both front and rear tyre must be able to hold it across the turn, and which tyre has the lower grip decides the limit.

And then I went and do tyre grip front 9 and back at 10, now I got severe understeer than my stock tuning, had to drive at lower cornering speed because the front end simply cant steer, and all the rear grip is just there, gripping. It doesn't massively reduce oversteer, when it already slightly understeering before, right way to describe it is massively understeer instead.

My last test involve stock grip, +1 aero, and now the car fixed its slight understeer, and I can make more turning than before, including taking some turn sharper than before. My rear end is still gripping so its still a full grip run.

My stock tuning:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2493164952

Testing ground: Miami Harbor
Time tested: at least 2 per each setups
Set used: Nitro chemist w/ Pure&resourceful

Stock tuning: 2:05
-1 rear grip only: 2:05
-1 front grip only: absolutely horrid, so slow in corner its not gonna set any time.
+1 aero only: 2:04

ESP dont really "brake" your car in corner, it only reduce power depending on car limit, at most cutting off all power just to keep the car completely tidy in corner. I already using full grip turn, so ESP also didnt impact me much other than keeping my car more stable at the cost of slight understeer, which shown by my previous testing that it can be countered as easy by just steering in earlier, and harder. What slows the car down in corner is just how cornering works, it reduces speed a little the more you turn, and ESP happens to reduce your power when you are holding throttle down the corner, giving the feeling of it braking the car.
results:

[Ham uwu 6969]

But of course +1 aero is a double edge sword, the drawback is the over responsive steering sometimes, and reduced stability that usually need too much focus to handle, and very noticeable instability on high speed section. On miami Harbor, the track is simple big turn in between straight, and its very flat, making the +1 aero extra turning being in advantage, but outside of it the weakness show. Lack of stability on uneven road, too much steering in mild corner, unable to tackle chicane well, but still manageable with hard focus.

This is how hard it is to handle +1 aero in high speed track, raw footage of me dying and making mistakes. Upside is it does steer everywhere.
https://youtu.be/pGtCl8ZKGjg

And this is the advantage of stock aero, very stable and allow me to push hard without worrying losing control, but of course its slightly understeery. Still, able to push hard usually means better.
https://youtu.be/CG9IjsA_Uow

But on Miami Harbor, +1 aero is just superior over stock aero. Overall I still gonna use stock aero just for the reliability.