Crouch button, seated mode

[ilyafallsadventures]

Game seems great so far. The way I play is sit in a swivel chair and use track pad locomotion. When I play this I have to stand for the height to be "proper," or I can reset steam vr to think the floor is 2 feet below me, but then I am unable to reach stuff through the floor, and I don't like having to actually crouch to grab stuff or having to get out of the chair for any reason. A seated mode with a crouch button and predesignated height( you could even have different heights for the different characters). I like to play video games for a few hours at a time and don't like the idea of having to stand up that whole time. Thanks

[Heathen]

:-(

Just providing a counter-opinion, but I feel strongly that room scale games should essentially be standing, and even walking (ducking, bobbing, taking cover, leveraging all of the room scale motion possible for maximum fun) -- however it seems to me like the same features that would make any such roomscale game accessible to people with restricted mobility (something everyone would like) would also make any such game "seated mode possible," which would benefit players like you too.

I'm not trying to answer your concern, but I am a little curious what features you think would be important to a "seated mode possible" game that is (hopefully) primarily intended for players more like me who very much want it to take full advantage of room scale and physical mobility first and foremost.

I'd also be curious to read any references anyone might have to the mechanics that make roomscale more accessible to people with restricted mobility, especially since it has the side effect of enablng "seated mode optional".

I've heard of wheelchair bound people playing games like Onward and I really have no idea how they manage it apart from sheer physical versatility. Roomscale is clearly much more than seated mode with a crouch button and an adjustable floor height.

[shigor]

Really interested in discussion. As a player I'm on the Heathen's side. As a dev... well if there's a way to improve the game for more people, I'm interested in at least hearing the request / arguments.


the main problem I see is how would the crouch work from player's point of view... sadly the Vive is rather limited button-wise. It would have to be either something clunky like a toggle in the virtual menu, or some scheme on the touchpad (possibly teleport, rotation, crouch switch on the direction click of the touchpad)

[ilyafallsadventures]

I'm not a developer but I'd imagine being able to plug in a fixed height and a crouch button to lower oneself in vr wouldn't be too complicated. That's how I played through doom 3, using the middle finger button as crouch. I'm all for games like super hot where you do have to move around, but for a typical fps campaign I don't want to be standing the whole time.

[shigor]

Originally posted by ilyafallsadventures:

I'm not a developer but I'd imagine being able to plug in a fixed height and a crouch button to lower oneself in vr wouldn't be too complicated. That's how I played through doom 3, using the middle finger button as crouch. I'm all for games like super hot where you do have to move around, but for a typical fps campaign I don't want to be standing the whole time.

moving height up and down's not a problem. the problem is how the player's going to do that. Because Vive has a rather limited number of control elements and all are already pulling double duty :)

[ilyafallsadventures]

Aha, I have an oculus so lack of buttons is not as much of an issue I suppose

[shigor]

Originally posted by ilyafallsadventures:

Aha, I have an oculus so lack of buttons is not as much of an issue I suppose

yeah, oculus touch contollers are a bit better here

[Jarilo]

"I play is sit in a swivel chair and use track pad locomotion"

lol I puked and swallowed just reading that. lol

[ilyafallsadventures]

How about just moving your head down a few inches to trigger crouch?

[shigor]

Originally posted by ilyafallsadventures:

How about just moving your head down a few inches to trigger crouch?

I'm occassionaly playing on the swivel chair too - hit a build, move a bit from the computer, push headset on my head (and lately telling myself that I hope LG will start selling their headsets soon) and playtest for a while. The detection for crouch would have to be really low and not very comfortable, otherwise you'd be triggering it often without wanting it.

[RyanGA]

Why can't the player choose which teleport they wish to use instead of offering both at the same time? Their teleport choice will be on the left controller and the right controller can have use of those extra buttons.

Crouch can be pressing down and holding or have a added toggle in options.

On another note, I believe all VR games should have an accessibility options menu for various handicaps depending on the game ranging from mobility to color blindness.

[ilyafallsadventures]

thanks for adding support, ive already beat it twice, now i get to play again in the recliner. my favorite singleplayer shooter for vr.

[Secret]

Originally posted by Heathen:

:-(

Just providing a counter-opinion, but I feel strongly that room scale games should essentially be standing, and even walking (ducking, bobbing, taking cover, leveraging all of the room scale motion possible for maximum fun) -- however it seems to me like the same features that would make any such roomscale game accessible to people with restricted mobility (something everyone would like) would also make any such game "seated mode possible," which would benefit players like you too.

I'm not trying to answer your concern, but I am a little curious what features you think would be important to a "seated mode possible" game that is (hopefully) primarily intended for players more like me who very much want it to take full advantage of room scale and physical mobility first and foremost.

I'd also be curious to read any references anyone might have to the mechanics that make roomscale more accessible to people with restricted mobility, especially since it has the side effect of enablng "seated mode optional".

I've heard of wheelchair bound people playing games like Onward and I really have no idea how they manage it apart from sheer physical versatility. Roomscale is clearly much more than seated mode with a crouch button and an adjustable floor height.

i will take what you have said (and i agree with) a step further.

screw people with restricted mobility! sorry kids, its a bad mad world and not everybody is equipped to do everything. you dont see people with downs syndrome becoming astrophysicists, you dont see fat dudes with tiny man bits making professional porn, nor do you see bucktoothed broads with 1 eye missing winning beauty pageants. some things are just not in the cards for some people. to make a room scale mode game easier for people WHO ARE SIMPLY LAZY is offensive to me as somebody who likes to think theres still some level of credibility in doing something that isnt pathetically easy in the first place.

we do NOT live in an all inclusive world, you dont get to do everything in life simply for the fact that you exist. i dont even buy games if they arent room scale, as gamers have we not ALL spent enough time sitting on our duffs for one (or more) lifetime? i want to be a rock star, sadly im tone deaf i dont sit here crying to anybody who will listen about how unfair it is! instead i just sit here making beats for jay-z (i joke.. but i do think a tone deaf person could do it).

at what point did the video game industry become this "anybody with 2 thumbs" simp-fest? i have been here over 40 years and i honestly dont know where i would exactly place the blame (my money is on sony for some reason). should we go back and tweak donkey kong so stephen hawking can achieve a record high score? NO! a person with the slightest sliver of intelligence wouldnt buy games THEY cant play, its not like there is a shortage of seated vr games on the market. much like theres no shortage of hidden object games that i dont buy because i cant lower myself. i dont take to the forums and start crying about how "the game is so monotonous that its putting me to sleep, so can the dev please add some melee combat and maybe some combos"!

the level of entitlement is absurd.

devs: make the games YOU want to make, players: buy the games YOU like to play. if you dont like something about the game simply dont buy it, dont be the guy whining on the forums about how poor little you isnt a grand champion at the game so could they please make it a bit easier. there are about 2 dozen new piles of trash released on steam in any given week, sort through them until you find the right game for YOU or simply find a better hobby. maybe somewhere out there is a skeet shooting team that shoots from recliners that you could be the missing link to.

[ilyafallsadventures]

The purpose of these forums is for players to interact with developers. What's wrong with having multiple locomtion/comfort options? I"ll play onward standing up and crawling around, but as far as a single player multi hour experience, why not have the option to sit in a chair and play the game the same way Ive been playing shooters for the last 15 years.

I don't see how this has anything to do with entitlement. A paying customer asking a developer for a feature on a forum that exists for that specific purpose? Especially when the feature asked for would also make the game accessible for players with limited mobility and probably wouldn't be very difficult to implement. Your comment is elitist hogwash that contributes nothing to this conversation.

[shigor]

just FYI - crouch button was added in the latest mini update

[Thomas Croft]

Originally posted by shigor:

just FYI - crouch button was added in the latest mini update

I just cant belive how much dedication you guys have for this game. AAA titles dont give a ♥♥♥♥ meanwhile this 20 euro game is just evolving beyond and trying to satisfy everybody. When you guys released this game for VR already had MUCH more options than any other title and thats why I think you guys are the best. You really think about how people would like to play and make it happen. I had an accident like 10 years ago so how much I can stand is extremely limited so I left a very salty review of Antarctica becouse they only wants you to jump around like an idiot thru the whole game. But this game I sit down turn off all the silly comfort ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ thats ususally also forced in most games set my height at the start for my seated positin and having so much fun. :)
Thank you guys for this great experience.