Campaign destroy swarm of infected ♥♥♥♥♥?

[Silenius]

I have like 5 bases already and every mission so far was easy on nightmare 800% !!! I decided to do swarm mission to kill 1493 infected, it said difficulty 1 and that was it. So I expected it to be super easy! But then I could place only 1 line of 300 hp wall and only 20 soldiers LUL So I got overrun pretty easily. And I don't think changing difficulty would help at all. What can I do with 20 soldiers against 1493 zombies???

It doesn't make any sense. I need to kill these hordes to unlock new missions, but I can't really. Don't understand what I Am supposed to do then. Would lowering difficulty make any difference?

EDIT: and I farmed all points in previous missions!!! Still I have 20 soldiers vs 1493 it is impossible! Problem is I don't want lose games, but I don't want ez mode also. No idea what difficulty should I choose for swarms. As it is imbalanced as hell!

Solved:
Oh i see you can even do missing again, so I can just test it on lower difficulty. Didn't realize that, I closed one window by accident so I couldn't read how it works... That explains everything...

[YOPG]

Changing difficulty will drastically affect the zombies count.

[Silenius]

It is weird I can't do it on nightmare in the first place. As I did all previous missions easily! I will try ty! I picked also easiest one...

[Cyberlisk]

Walls in Swarm missions are bad , soldiers take more hits than walls , can attack zombies , can regen HP (if you micro) , and can move. The Swarm missions without ez mode Lucifers are more micro minigames , just spam soldiers on everything and do Soldiers / Snipers in the mid game swarms , then Soldiers / Snipers / Titans on late game hordes , assuming you dont rush Lucifers.

Then just abuse pause and micro soldiers back a bit each time the zombies start getting close to their firing position.

[Silenius]

I don't understand how are you supposed to do it. I farmed maximum amount of points and I wasn't able to do even easiest infected 1/5 difficulty infested swarm mission on nightmare. Barely like on accessible. Even if I made only archers, I can't kill 1400 zombies in time... And it is annoying, because I want challenge, but I don't want lose either. Not sure what it does and don't want it easy! But I can't know what difficulty is feasible simply, so I would rather play it on easy, then doing it again... I don't know why these missions are impossible to do! And you don't get even more points from replaying missions, same you would have to replay it like 50 times to beat it on nightmare. No idea why it is like that, so it is not doable on higher difficulties! Then I have to keep guessing what difficulty to choose and replaying same mission is boring... This is just bad design it is annoying for player to be guessing... It kinda breaks immersion and it is just annoying AF... It should be doable on one difficulty, if you played perfectly so far... Normal missions I was able to do on nightmare so far easily, just infected are weird, that it is so hard. I did crossroads mission like on Brutal. But that wouldn't work in case there would be fast zombies. You still can get only like 100 archers vs 890 or something... Normal missions are easy on nightmare anyways, so i guess i will play on accessible for infected swarm missions or something just to complete them, I don't think you get less points on lower difficulties no?

[Cyberlisk]

You get the same amount of Empire points , but you get less campaign points on lower difficulties. You have to micro. Use pause and micro your soldiers . Dont just throw all your soldiers around the outpost and press play , look at the map , look for choke points , place groups of 8 soldiers in groups as far out on the edges as you can. Soldiers run slightly faster than even the sprinting infected so once the game starts just keep an eye on the soldiers and once the infected start getting close to a group , hit pause then tell the group to move back slightly , not alot , but move back so they can gain distance between the infected again , then resume , and repeat until all infected dead. If you just slap soldiers around the outpost and press play and do nothing you will lose the early swarm missions every time.

[Silenius]

LOL okay, putting like 20-40 soldiers around tower worked: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1KB4PsSTsQ
I don't know how this is still even possible! There are like 1400 and fast ones, wouldn't expect this would work :D And don't know how he has 1700 campaign points already. I did literally all previous missions + side objectives on nightmare. Only in hero missions I couldn't find like 30 tech points, but still I should got campaign points for that. Weird. Anyways, there is no way of knowing what exact combination would work, kinda coinflipp. And I get apparently less campaign points by playing that on lower difficulty... If you fail do you get less campaign points? I Am not sure, if I even need these, normal missions on nightmare are easy for me.

[Andrewbh2003]

Originally posted by Lorne Malvo:

LOL okay, putting like 20-40 soldiers around tower worked: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1KB4PsSTsQ
I don't know how this is still even possible! There are like 1400 and fast ones, wouldn't expect this would work :D And don't know how he has 1700 campaign points already. I did literally all previous missions + side objectives on nightmare. Only in hero missions I couldn't find like 30 tech points, but still I should got campaign points for that. Weird. Anyways, there is no way of knowing what exact combination would work, kinda coinflipp. And I get apparently less campaign points by playing that on lower difficulty... If you fail do you get less campaign points? I Am not sure, if I even need these, normal missions on nightmare are easy for me.

the score factor and the points you earn only affect VICTORY points

tech points/empire points remain unaffected regardless of difficulty and regardless of how many times you lose a mission the only penalty is to your final score and that only means something if you care about the achievments associated with that

[QWEEDDY2]

He say he miss 30 points from HERO mission. Thats the mission where you can failed with entire campaign if you dont want decrease difficulty.

[Silenius]

I can't complete narrow pass, because I have no stone workshop and no tesla towers. I wouldn't think I would need it so early in the game... There is no way of knowing ahead, what you will need, that's stupid. So now I can't play that mission on 800, because I have wrong tech. You can't unlearn it... And I read you don't get more tech points for replaying missions. I tried it and didn't get anything, not that I would want to replay them... And problem with lowering difficulty, maybe it will be to easy, or too hard. I don't know. It is not fun!!!

[Gomez]

Originally posted by Lorne Malvo:

I can't complete narrow pass, because I have no stone workshop and no tesla towers. I wouldn't think I would need it so early in the game... There is no way of knowing ahead, what you will need, that's stupid. So now I can't play that mission on 800, because I have wrong tech. You can't unlearn it... And I read you don't get more tech points for replaying missions. I tried it and didn't get anything, not that I would want to replay them... And problem with lowering difficulty, maybe it will be to easy, or too hard. I don't know. It is not fun!!!

Tesla towers no need to be researched. Everyone has it since the beggining. If you mean Shock towers, You don't need that research to go through Narrow Pass mission.


Regards

[Silenius]

What? Can you please explain how Am I supposed to hold that much??? Even with double wall and 3 balistas, I couldn't hold 12 day attack! There are so many of them like at 40 day in survival. There is not even more space to build. I need shocking tower, otherwise there is no way to hold on 800%. You would need like 10+ balistas and there is no space... But I don't have it unlocked in tech tree, because it is so far. And you don't know ahead in time, what you will need for a mission. And lowering difficulty is annoying, maybe it will be still too hard, so I will have to replay it again, or too easy. Why can't you finish game on 1 difficulty...

Maybe I can try some other maps, I have like 1-2, hope I will be able to get enough points, but I don't think so. I need stone worshop, wooden house and shocking tower!

Still I can't do infected swarm mission even on 100% challenging. 2800 difficulty 2. How Am I supposed to do that with just couple soldiers around tower vs 2800. I almost did it but still... It doesn't make sense, as I did all previous missions on nightmare and anyways I read you get same amount of points for completing missions on any difficulty. So how come I can't even do this mission on 100%??????

GREAT and now I can't do any missions because I specifically didn't rush shocking tower tech, as it is so far in tech tree. Balistas can't hold massive wave of mutants... And I don't want to replay all missions again, but I can't win on nightmare either now... This is so annoying...

Now I don't even know on which difficulty is possible to win. As my tech is useless. I had no idea that it will be like this... Campaign is completely ruined for me now... I heard complaints from people on campaign that it is bad. I Am gonna do just survival ♥♥♥♥ this ♥♥♥♥...

[QWEEDDY2]

800% is gor replaying missions. But for first attept are you sure it right way to play on 500%? Maybe 300%?

Yeah, gameinitially require some knowledge and guides reading. Well, most strategy?
Here the online calculator for research tree. Initially you have 50 points and maximum you can get before last mission is 10050 of about 14200 required for everything. And it really not enough.

http://melanite.net/tab/

Campaign tech tree reset feature should be there, for real. Cmon devs, there is still things to do to improve game! Usuability of campaign!

[Silenius]

Originally posted by QWEEDDY2:

800% is gor replaying missions. But for first attept are you sure it right way to play on 500%? Maybe 300%?

Yeah, gameinitially require some knowledge and guides reading. Well, most strategy?
Here the online calculator for research tree. Initially you have 50 points and maximum you can get before last mission is 10050 of about 14200 required for everything. And it really not enough.

http://melanite.net/tab/

Campaign tech tree reset feature should be there, for real. Cmon devs, there is still things to do to improve game! Usuability of campaign!

This explains a lot!

Ahahaha man I don't get this! Why are games made like this, that you need to read some wiki. Because if you don't know some things, you will have problems! Everything should be apparent from the game, there should be some way to infer it! So this is not strategy, but one of these games which require reading wiki to play... I hate wiki games... Who wants to be finding some things each time?

I don't know what I would do with tech calculator, I can't know what I will need ahead, until I see the missions anyways. So it is pointless! And I won't prepare ahead for every mission in the game + starting over...

Also there is problem, I have no idea if with my tech 500% is doable. But 300% tried one mission and it was too easy! And I don't want it easy/replaying missions over... Games take even hours...

This is just dumb, so I Am done with campaign. If it is not possible to finish on 1 difficulty consistently, again it is annoying for above mentioned reasons... I will play survival, it is better anyways...

[Anarkyst]

You're literally playing on nightmare difficulty on your first run through and complaining that its too hard... If you can't beat a level on your first try and max difficulty reduce it? Of course you cant know the perfectly optimised tech build path on your first attempt... but yeah.. you don't need shocking towers to win here.. loads of videos online and stuff if you need help... might be better to go there then just flaming devs and throwing in the towel... you're only punishing yourself... show some tenacity and either improve your playstyle by watching better people play or just reduce the difficulty...

[Silenius]

No, it is not like that! I was wining every mission so far on first trial... And I read it is doable on first try on 800. But you have to know what tech you will need ahead for each mission. Which you can't unless you look on every mission and check what tech people have... I would think game would be like that... Balistas are soo inefficient compared to shocking tower, you need to rush these, or you can't win.

Now there is a problem, if I choose 500 it may be still impossible. 2 hour missions again zzzzzzzzz. And if I choose brutal it may be too easy! I need challenge to enjoy the game... Game shouldn't be like that. Usually you can beat game on 1 difficulty... And I Am not fan of replaying, especially this game, as missions last so long!

It is annoying because now I can't play on 800...