Restart the Campaign or keep on?

[blaiserichichi]

So I tried the first level of the campaign on "challenging" because I figure "yeah I've played RTS games before why not and I want to make sure I get full credit or whatever.

So that didn't go well and I died, then completed it on challenging. go to do a swarm and I'm severely outgunned. Died. Do a hero mission. She gets stuck on a wall. Died.

So here we arrive at the question portion of the post: can I keep progressing and just retry the levels I failed to get points back, or am I kinda screwd a few accidents in? I've been looking around and all the posts that I've seen that say you cant get research back also seems to suggest you cant replay the missions PERIOD and they're all from like 2019. I *can* replay the missions I'm just not sure if I'm getting anything out of it. I've kinda just gone on without reattempting the past levels because I figure if this run is scuffed and I have to restart anyway I may as well learn as much as I can to avoid starting over again half way through.

Question came about after a few youtube videos where they had WAY more access to stuff. "ah for this giant we will just use ballistas upp the butt"
*looks at research*
*Not even close to enough points despite similar map clearance*

((i killed the giant btw I just used a couple dozen veteran soldiers))

[QWEEDDY2]

For new player better Caelus.
And i dont believe you that both - hero stuck and die - happen at same time. Moreover i dont believe that hero can stuck in current version.

You shoul collect EVERYTHING from hero missions. If not - restart whole campaign.

[Fabiaville]

i'm finding cealus to be the best of the two heroes. cealus is just so much faster due to his AOE damage and doesn't need to kite the entire the map.
research and points are only for the first win. everything else after matters not. no points are recovered.
if you are behind on research it's likely you did not get all the research points from your hero missions.

restart your campaign on normal difficulty and learn the mechanics. afterwards you can think of greater difficulty.

[Fabiaville]

i'm finding cealus to be the best of the two heroes. cealus is just so much faster due to his AOE damage and doesn't need to kite the entire the map.
research and points are only for the first win. everything else after matters not. no points are recovered.
if you are behind on research it's likely you did not get all the research points from your hero missions.

restart your campaign on normal difficulty and learn the mechanics. afterwards you can think of greater difficulty.

[Sajonji]

Note the difference between victory points and empire & research points:
- victory points are solely for a final score, they do not impact anything inside the campaign. You get victory points after each mission based on the difficulty and how often you failed the mission. Meaning: failing a mission does not affect anythng inside the campaign, only your final score
- empire & research points are used for troops on swarm missions & tech tree respectively. You get a fixed amount after colony missions and need to find collectibles in hero missions. Do you need every single item in hero missions ? Definitely NOT! Advice in first answer to reset campaign if you miss one item is wrong and horrible! Cannot find one last item in the hero mission ? just screw it, move on, it won't hurt much in the long run.

You can change the difficulty on the fly between missions with the button in the bottom left on the map screen. Find a particular mission too hard ? set difficulty lower. Also no need to restart the whole campaign. Don't know why the two posters above me are so hellbent on wasting your time OP ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

With the tech tree: don't get every early tech. Rush towards the important ones (farms, market, warehouse later, workshops, ballista if you like it, etc).

[blaiserichichi]

Ok so that score modifier doesnt affect how much research is awarded... good to know. Thats why I started out on a higher difficulty.

yeah I know I wont get every tech, its just im 27% of the way in and I see other people doing playthroughs and they have WAY more than me. With no way to recover lost points I was just worried that I would lose out on that and not be able to keep up.

As for

Originally posted by QWEEDDY2:

For new player better Caelus.
And i dont believe you that both - hero stuck and die - happen at same time. Moreover i dont believe that hero can stuck in current version.

You shoul collect EVERYTHING from hero missions. If not - restart whole campaign.

You can feel free not to believe me but she got stuck on a bunk bed in the arms manufacturing mission and got eaten. Just what happened.

[red255]

I had a sniper get stuck somewhere on one of the missions that gave me 3 snipers. but one was stuck. so I sort of believe you

Did the campaign on challenging. I mean maybe you bought garbage but yeah for the giants I just built towers and shot him from safety. stone towers are ideal but regular towers are good enough. you could probably make an array of wooden walls to slow him down enough to end him as well.

Look I just did the campaign on challenging. well I'm at the final mission at least. just keep going you get the same amount of points regardless of retries for research and empire, its just the Victory points you miss out on.

[QWEEDDY2]

red255
Units can stuck in normal RTS missions. Never see that on hero mission. Caelus and Calliope (or one of them?) have problem with that - but fixed in updates near 1.0.x version.

[QWEEDDY2]

There is two online calculators for Research Tree.
Can be useful
http://institution.github.io/they-are-billions-tech-tree/
http://melanite.net/tab/

Only 10k points before last mission. And only if collect EVERYTHING in hero missions.

[Sajonji]

Originally posted by blaiserichichi:

yeah I know I wont get every tech, its just im 27% of the way in and I see other people doing playthroughs and they have WAY more than me. With no way to recover lost points I was just worried that I would lose out on that and not be able to keep up.

Not sure if you can see how much points you collected so far in already completed hero missions, but if you can look: if you always got more than 90% of research points, you really should be fine.
As to others having more, could be they either rushed towards certain techs or maybe they replayed those missions after they beat the whole campaign with all the research from the campaign.
For example, don't take stuff like +1 ranger / soldier at mission start or fishing hut / hunter hut +20% food. While certainly nice, they are unnecessary, preventing you from reaching significant techs earlier.

[red255]

well I made it to the end of the campaign on 100% and never made a ballista tower.

[red255]

well redid the campaign with a knowledge of the future. Ballista and executors seem useless. Titans seem to be basically mobile executors. don't require power or much workers. well I guess they require oil upkeep so they require workers and power there,

just spam soldiers.

Cottages seem better than Stone houses if you have the space with the energy upgrades they cost the same power as tents so to convert your food into income its much cheaper. stone seems rather high of a limitation on these maps compared to wood, which is much easier to get lots of.

Defenses Stone with +HP = good. wood goes in front 3 layers of walls wood, wood, stone, stone towers 2 layers of soldiers 1 layer of snipers. It'll hold. maybe splash in some titans. if you get a budget surplus use the market to buy stone and either upgrade your housing or walls.

[Fabiaville]

yeah soldiers & shock towers are usually enough to hold most of what the campaign throws at you. soldiers on high priority targets & shock towers clean up the rest.

never really went a lot into titans since they unlock a bit late into the game.
the extra troops at start techs are really handy on higher difficulties.

the main thing about stone houses is that you get more buck for the space they occupy and for getting more stuff out of your banks & markets since they upgrade gold & food of the houses.
i've never taken the inn. traps are also a waste of resources.
the only wonders i've ever bothered with is the food, energy & veterancy wonders.
upgrades for quarry, sawmill & farm should be taken each run.

[red255]

the good thing about the inn is it allows you to get titans past your oil limit. or units you haven't purchased yet. it also gives 100 workers, which when I'm building an army is handy.

Yes stone houses if space is at a premium sure. but it usually isn't.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2549820824

like these are my defenses for the second to last map.

3 double walls of stone, 3 rows of towers first two rows soldiers third row snipers. and apparently like 40 titans chilling if it looked like I was going to breach.

[Sajonji]

Originally posted by red255:

the good thing about the inn is it allows you to get titans past your oil limit. or units you haven't purchased yet. it also gives 100 workers, which when I'm building an army is handy.

Yes stone houses if space is at a premium sure. but it usually isn't.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2549820824

like these are my defenses for the second to last map.

3 double walls of stone, 3 rows of towers first two rows soldiers third row snipers. and apparently like 40 titans chilling if it looked like I was going to breach.

probably not needing any titan with those defenses. Even on 800% nothing should even touch your walls. That missions final wave was such a letdown imo.

[red255]

Originally posted by Sajonji:

probably not needing any titan with those defenses. Even on 800% nothing should even touch your walls. That missions final wave was such a letdown imo.

They gave me 72 days to build a wall. I built a wall.

I got 1600 men on my walls. 3 double stone thick. what was I going to do? NOT build a wall?