El Dorado

[FraGmenToR]

Am i missing something on this mission? The objectives are:

resist all swarms
1,600 population
8,000 gold income

I have completely cleared the map, i have spammed quarries all over the gold deposits to the north, my population is a whopping 3,600, i have resisted all swarms - even that BS last one where they all literally decided to come from the south east, I have built banks, marketplaces and an Inn, and i still REALLY REALLY struggled to hit the 8,000 gold per deposit. Like seriously struggled. In the end i had to kill all my units (and you cant just delete them - you actually have to kill them), destroy all my defences, spam farms over every piece of green everywhere, build fishing houses everywhere, and build stone houses to get the win - hence my population being well over TWICE what was map requirement.

Is it just that i should have teched advanced quarries? If that is the case, it should really say that in the mission description. Its not exactly fun to have the whole map failed just because you have not teched something specific. I find this quite a bit with the tech tree. Its not particularly well designed. I just about managed. But that was via some creative thinking. But i hardly call killing all your units and destroying all defences a desireable or intended strategy.

[alden.monzon]

You can disband units near a soldier center.

[amordron]

You can also sell defense buildings as you win the moment you hit the target sell any non gold producing building as well and make warehouses for the gold quarty.

Even if apoc thou I only had to sell my wasps and shocks not my army or anything else without using banks 8000 is quite doable. Also you don’t need to stop at the req pop more pop is more gold.

[B. Mills]

I did it without bank/inn/advanced quarry tech. I spammed quarries everywhere with a warehouse in the center and also a warehouse close to the bridge.

It did get a bit tedious trying to reach the 8000+ gold income towards the end. I think I ended up attacking 2 of the bigger buildings and disbanding 4 thanatos.

So in short, having the advanced quarry tech would have been nice, but it's not a must.

[Wormeur]

Did it without disbanding anything, no advanced quarries. Just make 3 banks/markets and the quarries. It should be fine.

[eXecution]

I had around 10000+ Income with banks, markets and quarries without advanced quarries. Just expand your city, there are no attacks left, sell your defence and/or units.

[FraGmenToR]

I had 2 banks and all quaries plus 2 warehouses in or near the gold pit. I would say the requirement is too high. 6,000 income is plenty to get the message and feel of the mission without it being a little bit OTT. As the mission states 1,600 pop - it stands to reason that many population should be a sort of guide for how big you need to be. If im at more than double the minimum requirement, with all quaries, and im still thousands short - not just hundreds, then the target is too high.

[eXecution]

I'm not sure about it... if you expand more, you've more upkeep but also a bigger city. I tend to have 6000-10000 pop in the campain because I got bored... and even without goldmines I normally have an income of 10000 gold. I guess don't stick to the pop requirment

[Vambran]

Easy just sell off everything you don't need after the last swarm.

[Operation40]

there would be more income on the map if all that gold wasn't in the way!

[FraGmenToR]

Either the population requirement is too small, or the income threshold is too high. And seeming as all other missions of a similar level require sub 2,000 population, i do not think having a population requirement of 3,000 odd would sit too well for where you are at in the meta game at that particular moment. Therefore the conclusion is surely that the target of 8,000 is too high. It should be more like 6,000.

[snuggleform]

Stone housing + bank does the trick just fine. Remember more advanced housing is overall better gold income per population, and the bank sharpens this effect.

[JustFreezer]

Didn't have any issue at all, it was actually better than I expected when I first saw the clearing condition. I had the advanced quarry unlocked. I have first cleared the map then cleared the gold area. By the time the infected were killed, I already had a 6k gold income from my 3 houses areas. I didn't even use the advanced quarries because using the regular ones were enough to make me win.

I'm not sure about the difficulty you were running on (cleared the map on 500% after some retry), but yeah. Selling some buildings and dismissing some units after killing everything is the way to go after everything securising the whole map. I think the requirements are fine as they are, both can be reached by spamming houses.

[FraGmenToR]

Mostly you guys are kind of missing the point here. The point is not that i didnt build houses - i did. Or banks or whatever. The point is that having a population target of 1,600 suggests you can beat the map with a population of that size. And unless im very much mistaken, its impossible without advanced quarries - and even then, i have my doubts. You need a population of at least 3,000 odd to even get close to the 8,000 income target.

[cnconrad]

Originally posted by FraGmenToR:

Am i missing something on this mission? The objectives are:

resist all swarms
1,600 population
8,000 gold income

I have completely cleared the map, i have spammed quarries all over the gold deposits to the north, my population is a whopping 3,600, i have resisted all swarms - even that BS last one where they all literally decided to come from the south east, I have built banks, marketplaces and an Inn, and i still REALLY REALLY struggled to hit the 8,000 gold per deposit. Like seriously struggled. In the end i had to kill all my units (and you cant just delete them - you actually have to kill them), destroy all my defences, spam farms over every piece of green everywhere, build fishing houses everywhere, and build stone houses to get the win - hence my population being well over TWICE what was map requirement.

Is it just that i should have teched advanced quarries? If that is the case, it should really say that in the mission description. Its not exactly fun to have the whole map failed just because you have not teched something specific. I find this quite a bit with the tech tree. Its not particularly well designed. I just about managed. But that was via some creative thinking. But i hardly call killing all your units and destroying all defences a desireable or intended strategy.

I beat it with a population under 3000 it was in the low 2k range but i kept my whole army. Not really sure what your problem was. Did you have stone houses and banks?

Did you put warehouses near the gold deposits? The money really was not a challenge.

[amordron]

Originally posted by FraGmenToR:

Mostly you guys are kind of missing the point here. The point is not that i didnt build houses - i did. Or banks or whatever. The point is that having a population target of 1,600 suggests you can beat the map with a population of that size. And unless im very much mistaken, its impossible without advanced quarries - and even then, i have my doubts. You need a population of at least 3,000 odd to even get close to the 8,000 income target.

I was at 8000 gold income with only 1610 pop on my apoc. The pop req is not wrong in any way. Esp as that pop req is not get this that stop. Only you can stop here if you want assuming you are able to meat the other req with your tech. Never was it said you only need that pop level to win maps. Most maps you want higher pop levels than the mission req.

This is withuout banks and without adv quarys. Your income is low as your upkeep is high use insulation to reduce power needs and use effective power while selling of defenses as you don’t need them when close to 8000 if selling them will make you hit.

In short stop complaining and git good it’s fine.

I’m willing to bet in your case your using bad sources of power adv mills or Powerplants not using warehouses and not just on the gold in all relevant places. Not using hunter huts and fisherman’s to pair with farms given you said you had to spam fishers at the end know this is true as this should of already been done. Farms are for after hunter hit and fisher spots are out there are more advanced of a building this means less gold effective. So you don’t want farms till later. While you might even be using adv farms witch is even worse.

If your using low efficiency buildings without supporting buffs to boot your Econ will be shir this is not suprizing. If you really had a issue should of posted a screen of your base so we could point out all your errors.

This map is not about getting a high pop it’s about teaching you adv buildings are crap. Use effective basic buildings effectivly with buffs and you will get a massive gold income. The only advanced on this map that’s worth it are advanced quarys but there not needed in the least.