The nature of the beast BUG

[Catilanga]

Well, this is ankward... I found the wizard in the lone house (in the barn), talked to him, then theres no other option but to leave (we wont talk to me), then i headed to the trolls lair (got his whip) after killing the kobold for the first time this quest fail.

WTF????

Tried returning to him b4 the last battle, didnt work he wont talk to me.
Tried to free the kobold, failt the same way...

What im suposed to do ? Some guides i read on the internet show u finding the mage in other location (???????????????????????????)

So i got a quest thats no way to solve it ? THATS just stupid...

Im sry, this game is great BUT it seems that i bought a car and every now and then i find that some piece of it its not working and have to return for a fix...

BTW locate the wizard house (in the nature of the beast) - Failed (HOW????) if i talked to him ?
BTW Check up on the reclusive mage (in Troll trouble) - done (then how the hell i failed to locate his house??? entered the barn....)

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[Eve]

Yah I found him being attacked by trolls in his lab and it doesn't register that I found him and he won't let me talk to him anymore either.

[Nanny]

The Nature of the Beast has two possible approaches of which 1 is bugged.
1. You meet Bart outside and he asks you to accompany him to the trapped troll. Then you go inside his hut and discuss dimwit the troll and by then, the quest the completed. It is also daytime though I don't know if this matters.

2. You meet Bart inside his hut and find him under attack by 3 trolls including dimwit the troll. After saving him, he requests you to retrieve the whip. This path is bugged as the quest does not continue further and retrieving the whip does nothing.

[Catilanga]

TY

[=[NK]= Col. Jack O'Neil]

LAAAAAMEEE!! :(

[TheCheechWizard]

I have the same problem.

[Nargrakhan]

This bug still exists. Just got it. Submitted bug report in-game. Going through logs it appears to be this part that causes it to auto fail:


00:55:47 10.08.4710 - [System] Start mode request Dialog
00:55:47 10.08.4710 - [Dialog] VSKE_TrollTrouble_part2 (831b0b74f928fed4596297e3352f497a): Started dialog
00:55:47 10.08.4710 - [System] Started mode Dialog (previous mode Default)
00:55:47 10.08.4710 - [Dialog] Cue_96362 (d9363a25c56442a4abc154209cfd37df): played
00:55:47 10.08.4710 - [Unlocks] KTC21-2_TrollTroubleRampage (5ebb662490d48b9458e90d6cce8bb05f): unlocked
00:55:47 10.08.4710 - [Unlocks] KTC21-2_TrollTroubleRampage (5ebb662490d48b9458e90d6cce8bb05f): set to 0
00:55:47 10.08.4710 - [Dialog] Cue_96363 (b8cf22acb7df9814b843a2bb5360a908): played
00:55:47 10.08.4710 - [Dialog] Cue_96364 (f1ea41b24adab464f91529f40621124c): passed: Not Unlocked (PlayerKillSadistMage)
00:55:47 10.08.4710 - [Dialog] Cue_96364 (f1ea41b24adab464f91529f40621124c): played
00:55:47 10.08.4710 - [Dialog] Cue_96365 (8a3b8ef2b354f2c4287290d5a702ef92): played
00:55:47 10.08.4710 - [System] Stop mode request Dialog
00:55:47 10.08.4710 - [Quests] StopTheTrollOutrage (e0d74aa32cf514e4ca71d19e7fcac0f4): objective started
00:55:47 10.08.4710 - [Unlocks] VS_Turn2 (f241eaf398b614646898f68fe950a9a1): unlocked
00:55:47 10.08.4710 - [Unlocks] VS_Turn2 (f241eaf398b614646898f68fe950a9a1): set to 2
00:55:47 10.08.4710 - [Kingdom] stats changed: Military +1
00:55:47 10.08.4710 - [Kingdom] KTC21-TrollTroubleRampage (31ea1af1c3a725941911e0679471378a): event resolved with TrueNeutral None | result = Success | margin = 1
00:55:47 10.08.4710 - [Unlocks] EventSolvedCounter (a90e950c73db4c5459c1d4d29f5bee24): set to 19
00:55:47 10.08.4710 - [Unlocks] Event-ProblemSolvedCounter (fee3518f3427a3f43aaf57ce0e8a4b69): set to 12
00:55:47 10.08.4710 - [System] Stopped mode Dialog (next mode on stack Default)
00:55:47 10.08.4710 - [Quests] SadistMage_HiddenQuestFailer (1d4039f84da4ee8468972c683455e245): objective started
00:55:47 10.08.4710 - [Quests] SadistMage_HiddenQuestFailer (1d4039f84da4ee8468972c683455e245): objective failed
00:55:47 10.08.4710 - [Quests] VS_SadistMage (bc7fe37c1e073184e9f5af77d2fc82f3): quest failed
00:55:47 10.08.4710 - [Quests] 02_FindMage (7382feeff31a4a142ad509860cce6511): objective failed
00:55:47 10.08.4710 - [Dialog] DefaultExit (942b64c165b97cd47b66848c20047433): Selected answer

[Mortheim]

Sorry for stupid question, have you tried to verify integrity of game files?

[Nargrakhan]

Hello. Thank you for the response. I did an integrity check and everything was good. Also I did not use mods or save editors. I will try to get a save of the bug before it happens. However I will have to replay about 5 hours of content to get back to that point. Did not notice the glitch until all my latest saves were already affected... hopefully it doesn't occur again, but if it does, I'll use the in-game report again.

However whatever that "SadistMage_HiddenQuestFailer" does, it seems to be the issue. Soon as the objective is started, fails the objective immediately.

00:55:47 10.08.4710 - [Quests] SadistMage_HiddenQuestFailer (1d4039f84da4ee8468972c683455e245): objective started
00:55:47 10.08.4710 - [Quests] SadistMage_HiddenQuestFailer (1d4039f84da4ee8468972c683455e245): objective failed
00:55:47 10.08.4710 - [Quests] VS_SadistMage (bc7fe37c1e073184e9f5af77d2fc82f3): quest failed
00:55:47 10.08.4710 - [Quests] 02_FindMage (7382feeff31a4a142ad509860cce6511): objective failed

If it helps any... I met Bart (and bought a Bag of Holding and a Bag of Feathers from him) before the Troll Trouble chapter began (had a few weeks to explore the world map before it started).

[Mortheim]

Originally posted by Nargrakhan:

Hello. Thank you for the response. I did an integrity check and everything was good. Also I did not use mods or save editors. I will try to get a save of the bug before it happens. However I will have to replay about 5 hours of content to get back to that point. Did not notice the glitch until all my latest saves were already affected... hopefully it doesn't occur again, but if it does, I'll use the in-game report again.

However whatever that "SadistMage_HiddenQuestFailer" does, it seems to be the issue. Soon as the objective is started, fails the objective immediately.

00:55:47 10.08.4710 - [Quests] SadistMage_HiddenQuestFailer (1d4039f84da4ee8468972c683455e245): objective started
00:55:47 10.08.4710 - [Quests] SadistMage_HiddenQuestFailer (1d4039f84da4ee8468972c683455e245): objective failed
00:55:47 10.08.4710 - [Quests] VS_SadistMage (bc7fe37c1e073184e9f5af77d2fc82f3): quest failed
00:55:47 10.08.4710 - [Quests] 02_FindMage (7382feeff31a4a142ad509860cce6511): objective failed

If it helps any... I met Bart (and bought a Bag of Holding and a Bag of Feathers from him) before the Troll Trouble chapter began (had a few weeks to explore the world map before it started).

Can you share full log via cloud storage? Or send it to me via [e-mail]?

[Nargrakhan]

Hello again. Thank you for the attention being given to this bug.

You might want to remove your email before the SPAM'er bots crawl this forum. :)

I replayed my character from the start of Chapter 1 and the error happened again.

The log file is pretty big. Almost 11 MB in size. I uploaded to DropBox:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kg4wlglmadmag4o/history?dl=0

The error can be seen near the bottom (it was the last thing I did before saving the game):

06:27:27 09.08.4710 - [Quests] SadistMage_HiddenQuestFailer (1d4039f84da4ee8468972c683455e245): objective started
06:27:27 09.08.4710 - [Quests] SadistMage_HiddenQuestFailer (1d4039f84da4ee8468972c683455e245): objective failed

Also here is a save file of my character before the error happens. Go inside the Throne Room and let the scene play. It will assign the quest, then quickly fail the quest (it's 60.7 MB in size):

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5ujf4m1syrjwl34/Manual_5_Tenebrae05.zks?dl=0

I didn't use mods or editors. Did the file integrity check. Playing the latest version of the game.

Also submitted this bug via the in-game bug reporter.

I think its because I visit and buy stuff from Bart before this quest is given. When I didn't do that in a previous game, this bug didn't happen. I can try to start a new game and experiment with that theory... but it would have to wait until this weekend.

[Mortheim]

Originally posted by Nargrakhan:

Hello again. Thank you for the attention being given to this bug.


I didn't use mods or editors. Did the file integrity check. Playing the latest version of the game.

Also submitted this bug via the in-game bug reporter.

I think its because I visit and buy stuff from Bart before this quest is given. When I didn't do that in a previous game, this bug didn't happen. I can try to start a new game and experiment with that theory... but it would have to wait until this weekend.

Thank you for the info :) I've sent you a DM regarding this.

[dwarner]

Originally posted by Nanny:

The Nature of the Beast has two possible approaches of which 1 is bugged.
1. You meet Bart outside and he asks you to accompany him to the trapped troll. Then you go inside his hut and discuss dimwit the troll and by then, the quest the completed. It is also daytime though I don't know if this matters.

2. You meet Bart inside his hut and find him under attack by 3 trolls including dimwit the troll. After saving him, he requests you to retrieve the whip. This path is bugged as the quest does not continue further and retrieving the whip does nothing.

No, as intended you do both on separate visits.

[dwarner]

He can also get killed by the attacking trolls in which case he mentions the whip in his dying breath.

[Nargrakhan]

Originally posted by Nanny:

No, as intended you do both on separate visits.

Originally posted by dwarner:

He can also get killed by the attacking trolls in which case he mentions the whip in his dying breath.

That's the bug we're getting.

What's SUPPOSED to happen is you get the quest, rush over to the Lone House, and you'll see Bart outside fighting trolls. You save him (or he dies if you're too slow), then he asks for help. Bart takes you to the stone troll on the westside of the map and you battle it together. He gives you the key to his basement lab. Later you rescue him again when the troll breaks free from his experimentation.

What the bug does is instantly fail the quest as soon as it's assigned to you in the throne room. Thus you can't complete it. When you rush over to the Lone House, Bart does NOT appear in front of his house. The first rescue outside doesn't happen, you don't battle the stone troll on the westside of the map, and you don't get the key from Bart for his lab. However the lab is already unlocked, so when you go down there it starts the second rescue when that troll breaks free from his experimentation. That whole thing is the bug. It's a sequence break that causes problems with later Bart related quests.

I THINK the cause is visiting Bart (or the Lone House map) and buying stuff from him before you are given "The Nature of the Beast" quest. I did that because he sells a cheap Bag of Holding and a bag of feathers for that Dryad-Lumberjack quest. However I'm still playing a new game to get to that point and experiment with the theory.

[Nargrakhan]

I figured out what's causing the bug after some replaying and examining the SadistMage_HiddenQuestFailer script.

There is a random monster encounter on the map, where your party saves a trader from trolls attacking him. A fallen tree on the map prevents his wagon from leaving.

After saving the trader he will assign you "The Nature of the Beast" quest. It does not have a obvious failed quest time out. HOWEVER!!! The advancing story line will eventually have a scene in the throne room that tells you to go save Bart from attacking trolls.

If you DO NOT go to Bart after the trader gives you "The Nature of the Beast" and get the cut scene in the throne room telling you to save Bart, it will create the bug. It seems this was supposed to be intentional to a certain degree... it is the "quest expired" repercussion for taking too long. However the game is not intuitive in explaining this. It also causes the glitch where Bart won't accept the whip anymore - that part does not seem to be intentional.

If you use the game save I posted previously and go into the throne room to start the scene, it will create the glitch everyone was talking about.

HOWEVER if you use that same game save (do not go into the throne room), leave the capital and go to Bart, you can do the "stone troll" part. Then return to the throne room, get the cut scene, and the Bart quest will work like it's supposed to.

That's the cause of all this madness.

Not going to Bart before the throne room scene, after the trader gives you "The Nature of the Beast" quest, and doing his bit with the stone troll.

*whew*

Do I get prize for this troubleshooting? ^_-