Kesten vs Jhod? (spoilers)

[Greywolf]

So yeah just found out that you need to pick between one of them, I chose Kesten cause I need him as my Warden while Jhod does not do much for me, however I have heard you can keep them both alive if you are lawful, does keeping both alive yield any real benefits or is it mostly that you get to keep them in advisor roles? Does Jhod contribute anything to the story at all? Also how about turning my dungeon into a clinic and renaming it after him? I would kind of rather have a dungeon

[Mr. Hanky]

I generally pick lawful, so I get to keep them both, and I'd highly recommend that option as it makes the most sense. Thought it was kinda dumb when Kesten runs off and gets himself killed (against goblins) and you don't have the option to tell him not to. The benefits of keeping both are obvious. You get to keep both as advisors, and you may choose between turning the dungeon into a guardpost or a clinic.

When I don't play lawful, however, I ALWAYS pick Jhod to save, and, frankly, you're insane if you go the other way. Jhod dying means your religion advisor is Harrim... nuff said. That, and it doesn't make role-playing sense to let your Barony be destroyed with countless civilians dead to go and rescue Kesten. It doesn't make any kind of logical sense, even if you're playing an evil character, to let your people get slaughtered like that, because even an evil character recognizes that you need people to rule over in order to have power, and you'd gain nothing by them dying.

[Agony_Aunt]

Harim is good religious advisor for some things. I only use Jhod as my religious advisor if i'm a religious nutcase myself (so, my LG game with a Paladin). Otherwise its Harim.

At the end of the day though, both make good and bad recommendations for your kingdom and its your choice to navigate these and decide when its worth going against their advice.

Overall though, i prefer religious freedom over religious intolerance.

[Greywolf]

Originally posted by Mr. Hanky:

The benefits of keeping both are obvious. You get to keep both as advisors, and you may choose between turning the dungeon into a guardpost or a clinic.

So does this effect anything or is it mostly just a flavour thing? Because I would rather keep the dungeon and the torture chamber, how can I be an evil overlord without a dungeon and a torture chamber?

[Mr. Hanky]

In the end, isn't everything flavor? Still doesn't make sense to let tons of your people die for no reason regardless of alignment, even if you're intent on having an insane end of all existence worshiping dwarf as your religion adviser.

[Immortal Reaver]

Yeah no story mention after Season of the Bloom.
Choice would depend on what kind of Kingdom you want.
Jhod is only priest whose prefered choices wil restrict bad religions.
Kestern will advise badly when it comes to protection from wildlife and bandits, but his advices are good when it comes to guarding in cities and nobles.

[Agony_Aunt]

Originally posted by Mr. Hanky:

even if you're intent on having an insane end of all existence worshiping dwarf as your religion adviser.

If it was the planescape setting he'd make an excellent Doomguard.

[Planguy]

Harrim isn't so bad. He doesn't advocate for the end of all things, he's just sure that it's coming pretty soon. He seems to be a fatalist. On the plus side he doesn't impose on others, mostly because he's sure you're going to eventually come around to his point of view. And even if you don't it's not really going to matter in the end. Because nothing really does in his view.

He's an interesting fellow, though both myself and most characters I would role play as would disagree with his philosophy.

[dataseer21]

I'm so glad that you posted this. Frankly sometimes I even want kesten to die because it annoys me how much he doesn't give a damn about what you say even though you are the baron.