Valerie Path

[J4F_Jumpydady]

Hello i wanted to ask if there is a way to make her "good" ending where she returns to accept beauty and becomes paladin again?

[BenSt88]

I do not believe so.

[Isengrym]

She will never be a paladin. However, she does have a good ending of a sort--she doesn't change alignment, but she can eventually stop hating beauty and conclude that while she finds the Church of Shelyn silly and a waste of time, she can respect that its adherents have the right to choose their own path and carry out their chosen duty.

[J4F_Jumpydady]

ok thank you

[Ser Smiles]

I went full anger and she became a hellknight. I am a bad influence

[BenSt88]

Originally posted by Ser Smiles:

I went full anger and she became a hellknight. I am a bad influence

Are you joking or is that actually possible in the game? If you're not joking, is this a secret prestige class (like in the TT game), or just flavor text for her new LE alignment?

[Ser Smiles]

Originally posted by BenSt88:

Originally posted by Ser Smiles:

I went full anger and she became a hellknight. I am a bad influence

Are you joking or is that actually possible in the game? If you're not joking, is this a secret prestige class (like in the TT game), or just flavor text for her new LE alignment?

Not joking, but its flavor text for the post finale. Sorry for spoiler. However Hellknight will be a class that you can be in wrath of the righteous so look forward to living out your best life.

[BenSt88]

Originally posted by Ser Smiles:

Originally posted by BenSt88:

Are you joking or is that actually possible in the game? If you're not joking, is this a secret prestige class (like in the TT game), or just flavor text for her new LE alignment?

Not joking, but its flavor text for the post finale. Sorry for spoiler. However Hellknight will be a class that you can be in wrath of the righteous so look forward to living out your best life.

The funny thing is, this run I'm playing CE. Had I known it was possible to turn her to LE, I would have made a few different choices earlier (like in her duel). Ah well, probably too late now.

[Isengrym]

Whoa. I had no idea she could end up a Hellknight.

@BenSt88: How's chaotic evil going for you? Is it comically over the top? You played a paladin in your first run, didn't you?

It may still be possible to get the bad outcome with Valerie. I don't know for sure, but there seem to be multiple factors in her final quest. I had the option of some diplomacy checks that were more confrontational, even after being pretty temperate. I just didn't take them (except one by mistake, which didn't ruin it). The one thing I had apparently done "wrong" was demanding that the bard apologize for slandering her, but I overcame that with another diplomacy check. So maybe if you make more unkind choices going forward and choose hostile dialogue options in the last quest, maybe her bad ending is still possible? Just speculating. ;)

[BenSt88]

Originally posted by Isengrym:

Whoa. I had no idea she could end up a Hellknight.

@BenSt88: How's chaotic evil going for you? Is it comically over the top? You played a paladin in your first run, didn't you?

It may still be possible to get the bad outcome with Valerie. I don't know for sure, but there seem to be multiple factors in her final quest. I had the option of some diplomacy checks that were more confrontational, even after being pretty temperate. I just didn't take them (except one by mistake, which didn't ruin it). The one thing I had apparently done "wrong" was demanding that the bard apologize for slandering her, but I overcame that with another diplomacy check. So maybe if you make more unkind choices going forward and choose hostile dialogue options in the last quest, maybe her bad ending is still possible? Just speculating. ;)

If it's only an ending slide detail, it's probably not worth the trouble. I might need to consider what items remain that are either Neutral only or Evil only and make my decision that way. Assuming you can turn her to evil before the game actually ends.

As for CE, well, I'm learning from my mistakes in the 1st game as the paladin. For this game, don't always pick the RARR, I'm CE so I attack you...as that's a bit silly, and cuts you off from xp and other good things. That said, maybe I have a shot at all artisan masterpieces this time. It's fun, partly b/c it's very different from my last run. That's how I keep a game like this fresh. New builds, new choices, new companions (though hard to live w/out some of them always in my team).

[Isengrym]

Attacking everyone is pretty silly, that's why I asked if it were over the top. ;-) I wonder how many people have tried every chaotic evil attack option in the game. You'd lose out on a lot of content, it seems, but it might be fun if someone just felt like trolling the game world.

I'm waiting for the new patch before starting a second run because I want to install a few mods this time and it seems prudent not to do that just in time for a patch to break them. My first character started out chaotic good and drifted to neutral good. I freely picked all types of good dialogue options and picked LN, N, and CN occasionally, too. I took a LE option exactly once--during Nazrielle's quest, when there were fairly obvious LG and LN reactions that should have been present, but weren't. Gotta work with what the writers give us.

I don't think I could keep up evil for a whole run. I know it's just a videogame, but for some reason I have a hard time being mean to pixel people without cause LOL. I do want to try playing a character who starts out evil and ends up a paladin of Sarenrae, because a) I want variety and hope I can handle being evil for a little while at least, and b) I think it would be a neat character arc and a good fit for the secret ending (hopefully).

[goblinskirk]

Originally posted by BenSt88:

Originally posted by Ser Smiles:

Not joking, but its flavor text for the post finale. Sorry for spoiler. However Hellknight will be a class that you can be in wrath of the righteous so look forward to living out your best life.

The funny thing is, this run I'm playing CE. Had I known it was possible to turn her to LE, I would have made a few different choices earlier (like in her duel). Ah well, probably too late now.

She does not become LE, she stays LN.
Hell Knights aren't LE, they are any Lawful alignment, including LG.

[BenSt88]

Originally posted by goblinskirk:

Originally posted by BenSt88:

The funny thing is, this run I'm playing CE. Had I known it was possible to turn her to LE, I would have made a few different choices earlier (like in her duel). Ah well, probably too late now.

She does not become LE, she stays LN.
Hell Knights aren't LE, they are any Lawful alignment, including LG.

You're right, I should have remembered that possibility. I guess their treatment in the game colored my perspective.

@Isengrym: Every now and then I do something in the game that makes me wince, shall we say. But it is a role-playing game in the end.

[Isengrym]

@BenSt88: Understood! :)

@goblinskirk: I had no idea! Thanks for enlightening me! I've never played Pathfinder apart from this game, so my knowledge of the setting is very limited. Deal with the Devil left me with the impression that Hell Knights were specific to Cheliax, where Asmodeus is worshiped, so I assumed they were the Archdevil's equivalent of paladins and were pretty much lawful evil. After reading your post, I looked up Hell Knight in the Pathfinder SRD. I wouldn't have guessed *killing* a devil was a requirement for joining. A lot of the orders still sound evil-leaning to me, but a few do sound like they could suit LG characters. Fascinating!

[Ser Smiles]

Lawful good kinda fits the cheliax ones too, they are abrasively good to the point of disruption but their intend isnt to do evil, its to stop and gather info and what they believe the evil to be

[BenSt88]

Originally posted by Ser Smiles:

Lawful good kinda fits the cheliax ones too, they are abrasively good to the point of disruption but their intend isnt to do evil, its to stop and gather info and what they believe the evil to be

I think you might be overselling the point. Most hellknights in the PF setting are LE/LN. Some might be LG, but they are a distinct minority. At least in 1st edition PF; I don't know what's happened to them now in 2nd edition.