Trivial question regarding dueling sword

[spine-eater]

So I'm going for aldori defender&rogue to duelist build.

And I acquired my first dueling sword.

And the immediate problem I noticed;

My character is holding dueling sword, which specifically says it's a one-handed weapon,

With both hands.



1. What gives? Is it just visuals, or is my character actually holding the weapon with 2 hands?

2. Is it my fault?

3. How do I fix it?

Thank you kindly :)

[Orion Pax]

Just visuals. Goofy looking. Not sure if/how to fix.

I did a build like this not too long ago and liked it. Game provides some pretty decent Dueling Swords.

[grognardgary]

Originally posted by Orion Pax:

Just visuals. Goofy looking. Not sure if/how to fix.

I did a build like this not too long ago and liked it. Game provides some pretty decent Dueling Swords.

The above. If The game actually paid attention to weapon damage types Dueling swords would be one of the better weapons in the game,

[forkofspite]

Noticed similar effect with a magus (but might have been Wrath rather than this game - don't remember). Spell combat requires a free hand, and with that ability toggled on, the game would use the 1-handed grip (correctly using strength modifier for damage). However, with that ability toggled off, the game defaults to a 2-handed grip (correctly using 1.5x strength modifier for damage).

Until the character has an ability that requires a free hand, there's no mechanical downside to a 2-handed grip.

[mbradtke]

one handed weapons are hold with 2 hands if there is no use for the off-hand, it is normal, you get 1,5 str multiplier on dmg in this case, there is a special aldori shield feat you can get if u want, it gives you bonuses when wearing the aldori sword without shield, it is a decent feat, and if you go for the duelling word you might want it anyway, however it is intended as i alrdy said

[grognardgary]

Originally posted by mbradtke:

one handed weapons are hold with 2 hands if there is no use for the off-hand, it is normal, you get 1,5 str multiplier on dmg in this case, there is a special aldori shield feat you can get if u want, it gives you bonuses when wearing the aldori sword without shield, it is a decent feat, and if you go for the duelling word you might want it anyway, however it is intended as i alrdy said

But then when I think of something called a dueling sword I tend to think of something like a basket hilted saber or a rapier that simply doesn't have enough of a hilt to use two handed.

[Immortal Reaver]

If you use one-handed weapon and have nothing in off-hand then character will use it as 2-handed weapon, meaning damage is 1.5x STR bonus, instead of 1x STR bonus. (Same for Power Attack).
I have no idea how Finesse Training works with this, but if you use Slashing/Piercing Grace character uses it as one-handed and only gets 1x STR bonus to damage.
Also Aldori Swordmaster gets ability to have 1.5x STR bonus to damage.

[Drake]

Originally posted by grognardgary:

Originally posted by mbradtke:

one handed weapons are hold with 2 hands if there is no use for the off-hand, it is normal, you get 1,5 str multiplier on dmg in this case, there is a special aldori shield feat you can get if u want, it gives you bonuses when wearing the aldori sword without shield, it is a decent feat, and if you go for the duelling word you might want it anyway, however it is intended as i alrdy said

But then when I think of something called a dueling sword I tend to think of something like a basket hilted saber or a rapier that simply doesn't have enough of a hilt to use two handed.

Dueling swords in pathfinder are not that. They are an "occidental" version of a katana. The actual description in tabletop is "curved longsword". And it's specified that you can wield it in two hands and it's in the heavy blade group, not the light one.

[Babbles]

You are fine, all the one handed abilities will still occur.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2877354376

Don't forget to give them a silly hat and/or boots ...

[grognardgary]

Originally posted by Drake:

Originally posted by grognardgary:

But then when I think of something called a dueling sword I tend to think of something like a basket hilted saber or a rapier that simply doesn't have enough of a hilt to use two handed.

Dueling swords in pathfinder are not that. They are an "occidental" version of a katana. The actual description in tabletop is "curved longsword". And it's specified that you can wield it in two hands and it's in the heavy blade group, not the light one.

Makes Sense it isn't like Samurai weren't duelists, It is however a bit odd that it is also classed as a light blade for purposes of finess weilding

[Drake]

Originally posted by grognardgary:

Originally posted by Drake:

Dueling swords in pathfinder are not that. They are an "occidental" version of a katana. The actual description in tabletop is "curved longsword". And it's specified that you can wield it in two hands and it's in the heavy blade group, not the light one.

Makes Sense it isn't like Samurai weren't duelists, It is however a bit odd that it is also classed as a light blade for purposes of finess weilding

That's why it's in exotic category and not martial.

Now it's simplified in the video game, but in the videogame, it's an hybrid weapon, like the bastard sword and the katana (meaning it's a martial weapon that has a special feature locked behind an exotic proficiency). With martial proficiency, you wield it like a regular longsword, but if you get the exotic proficiency, it then becomes a finesse weapon.

And it's not a light weapon, it just has access to the finesse feature (so it counts as it), just like the elven curved blade (exotic 2 handed heavy blade with finesse).

[grognardgary]

The last being in essence a Japanese nodaichi

[ShiroiWolf]

In reality: The tabletop version of those abilities usually state that you get two different values of bonuses depending if you've been wielding it one-handed (with no item equipped to off-hand) or two-handed. unless stated otherwise, all One-Handed weapons can be wielded two handed, applying the basic two-handed weapon bonuses.

For the sake of Kingmaker's design and gameplay, since it automatically has all One-handed weapons wielded as Two-handed, A Dueling Sword wielded by a character with their primary hand, it will gain both Two-handed strike bonuses, and all Dueling Sword, One-Handed, and Weapon Finesse bonuses.

Basically, the game is instead looking at what it's typed as and if anything else is equipped in the other hand, not how its being currently held

[Psychotic_Frog]

Originally posted by Babbles:

You are fine, all the one handed abilities will still occur.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2877354376

Don't forget to give them a silly hat and/or boots ...

There's a mod to fix the off-hand position btw; https://www.nexusmods.com/pathfinderkingmaker/mods/233

Looks so silly without it, worse than the hat and boots.