Stoneskin requires diamond dust? Any other spells now require components?

[Flip]

So just got to lvl 8 sorc, wanted to get old friend Stoneskin but now see it requires 5 x diamond dust (I have 0) rendering it pretty much useless.

Any other spells require extensive mats just to cast once? (how I wish there was an ingame spell list we could use to plan ahead).

[Flip]

Originally posted by xkuripuri:

Did you learn Stoneskin via a level up? because if so, when you moused over the spell, its description would've probably told you it had the regeant cost attached to it.

I haven't yet run into any Sorc/Wizard spells with regeants, though it did take me a few days of resting to wonder why Harrim wasn't using Restoration to clear ability damage... (then I noticed the DIamond Dust cost...)

Aye it did, just didn't see it at first. It was only when it was showing as not recommended with Octavia that I took a closer look

[xkuripuri]

Originally posted by Flip:

If the DMG spells don't have it I feel better but still don't like it. Le sigh.

Yes you can spend money on boss encounters but as a sorc I am not learning a spell I will use 4 times. Rebuttal: Octavia will learn it instead.

Tbh I hate sometimes like if feels casters always get shafted, takes ages to get powerful and now you cannot use some of your best without coughing up the dough. Maybe should charge fighters 1000g per cleave finish?

Also this system was not in the following D&D games (which is why it caught me off guard)
BG1 + 2
IWD 1+2
NWN 1+2

Anyways, rant over.

Thank you all for your replies and suggestions

I mean, the reason magic has costs associated with it sometimes, is because magic is absurdly powerful in this game, and D&D as a whole.
There's a reason D&D coined the whole, "Linear Warriors, Quadratic Wizards" term. Sure, at low levels a Fighter is way stronger. Then a Wizard can basically warp reality and annihilate an entire army without even being that high level.

[Kommissar K]

Originally posted by Flip:

It is dissapointing, very dissapointing, kind took the wind out of the sails there. Not so much for stoneskin, i'll survive not using it but I assume any good spell moving forward (damaging ones) are all going to be pay to use?

Its nowhere near as bad as you think. Its not "every" good spell, more ones that a GM might not want to let players perform without cost (Wish, Raise Dead, the heavier forms of Restoration).

Honestly most attack spells don't have a material cost.

[Laiders72]

Originally posted by Flip:

It is dissapointing, very dissapointing, kind took the wind out of the sails there. Not so much for stoneskin, i'll survive not using it but I assume any good spell moving forward (damaging ones) are all going to be pay to use?

Not at all. Most spells do not require costly material components. In 3.5 (which I have the physical book for) neither of the highest level arcane evocations (Meteor Swarm and Bigly's Crushing Hand) require costly components. The latter does require an egg shell as a component and a snakeskin glove as a focus but those wouldn't be implemented in game. The some of the most powerful single target spells in the game (the Power Words) are solely verbal spells and do not allow saving throws.

There are plenty of immensely powerful toys that require no components.

[tazman1]

um to be fair most spell rewuire spell components this has always been the case most of the video games did away with the components all together but also did away with some of the more expesive spells not sure if the feat is in the game but there is a east Eshew materials that eliminates the components of any spell that costs less that a gold piece.

As for expesive spells you are aware that Identify in pen and paper has always had a 100 GP cost per cast and identifies 1 item right

[Flip]

Glad to hear that the damage spells are probably not affected to much. Thank you all for your replies, appreciate it.

[Vyper]

Originally posted by Li Shengshun/Bk-201:

Where do we actually get that dust? iam act 4 and only seen whole gems so far.

You can buy it from most merchants iirc

[Flip]

Originally posted by tazman1:

um to be fair most spell rewuire spell components this has always been the case most of the video games did away with the components all together but also did away with some of the more expesive spells not sure if the feat is in the game but there is a east Eshew materials that eliminates the components of any spell that costs less that a gold piece.

As for expesive spells you are aware that Identify in pen and paper has always had a 100 GP cost per cast and identifies 1 item right

No I am not as I have never played the tabletop version, only the computer games. So the 100GP cost I always assosiate with Vendor Identify price - spell identify has always been free in CRPG :D

[Starcut]

Originally posted by Flip:

Originally posted by Cyrus:

I don't know of any damage spells that require reagents in this game. I was messing around and leveled a wizard to 20, was able to cast all the major damage spells I had.

Thank you, feels better to know that the major spells will not be gated. Appreciate the answer!

No problem! :)

[saice]

oddly I noticed this in chapter 1 just by looking at the merchants. The priest sells both diamond dust and diamonds. The tool tip tells you they are needed for spells.

[corisai]

Originally posted by Flip:

Yes you can spend money on boss encounters but as a sorc I am not learning a spell I will use 4 times. Rebuttal: Octavia will learn it instead.

It will cost her 2 spell slots. Do you really hate her so much? :)

Originally posted by Flip:

Tbh I hate sometimes like if feels casters always get shafted, takes ages to get powerful

Except your casters already broke the game by getting access to Haste :)

Originally posted by Flip:

Also this system was not in the following D&D games (which is why it caught me off guard)
BG1 + 2
IWD 1+2
NWN 1+2

No, it's NWN don't followed D&D rules ;)

[xkuripuri]

Originally posted by saice:

oddly I noticed this in chapter 1 just by looking at the merchants. The priest sells both diamond dust and diamonds. The tool tip tells you they are needed for spells.

Just because you know regeants exist, doesn't mean you'll know which spells might need them, to be fair.
I mean, not unless you actually know the Pathfinder books and have played a magic user before.

[saice]

Originally posted by xkuripuri:

Originally posted by saice:

oddly I noticed this in chapter 1 just by looking at the merchants. The priest sells both diamond dust and diamonds. The tool tip tells you they are needed for spells.

Just because you know regeants exist, doesn't mean you'll know which spells might need them, to be fair.
I mean, not unless you actually know the Pathfinder books and have played a magic user before.

true. I am a long time player of D20 games going back to bluebox but knowing they exist means you might want to start looking at the spells full description before picking it. Right click brings up a scrollable info box.

[Flip]

Originally posted by corisai:

Originally posted by Flip:

Yes you can spend money on boss encounters but as a sorc I am not learning a spell I will use 4 times. Rebuttal: Octavia will learn it instead.

It will cost her 2 spell slots. Do you really hate her so much? :)

Originally posted by Flip:

Tbh I hate sometimes like if feels casters always get shafted, takes ages to get powerful

Except your casters already broke the game by getting access to Haste :)

Originally posted by Flip:

Also this system was not in the following D&D games (which is why it caught me off guard)
BG1 + 2
IWD 1+2
NWN 1+2

No, it's NWN don't followed D&D rules ;)

Agreed haste = win :D

Why does it take 2 spell slots for Octavia? I checked her class before I gave it to her, she doesn't have Alteration as an Opposition School, just Necromancy (listed twice for some reason)

[corisai]

She should have Alteration as prohibited school.

But you know... bugs

P.S. 4th level = fireball that don't harm friendlies ;) Chain lighting & disintegration will be here soon (tm).