With a Sword saint can i use a elven curved blade?

[Comguitoz]

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[HakkaStyle]

Originally posted by Ser Comguitoz:

Originally posted by HakkaStyle:

Okay just checked this. I am not sword sait, just magus but I have exotic weapon prof: Bastard sword and i use it 1 handed. I cast a shocking grasp and he used sword to deliver it. So it seems to be working.

but u need to have spell strike right? without that it doesnt work, right?

Yeah I would think so. Like I said I am a regular Magus (not sword saint) and took prof with bastard sword at level 3. My original reply was that you *could* use bastard sword as magus. I tried it on a level1 fighter level 1 magus in testing characters and same thing, he used it 1 handed once i took the magus class. The casting spell through it happened when I got that ability at level 2.

I would have to look at the sword saint info, do they not get the level 2 ability?

[Comguitoz]

Originally posted by HakkaStyle:

Originally posted by Ser Comguitoz:

but u need to have spell strike right? without that it doesnt work, right?

Yeah I would think so. Like I said I am a regular Magus (not sword saint) and took prof with bastard sword at level 3. My original reply was that you *could* use bastard sword as magus. I tried it on a level1 fighter level 1 magus in testing characters and same thing, he used it 1 handed once i took the magus class. The casting spell through it happened when I got that ability at level 2.

I would have to look at the sword saint info, do they not get the level 2 ability?

they do! just curious about it. probably will stick with a bastard sword also, i start all over again cuz i didnt have high enough int. so :P ♥♥♥♥ it. always learning right? xD

[Kelticfury]

Originally posted by Randomz:

Sure, it's an exotic weapon. Although I think the racial weapons may have some issues with them at the moment.

The descriptors of race named weapons says can treat any weapon with (race name) in the description as a martial weapon. So maybe the problem is that people aren't taking martial weapon prof.

[Comguitoz]

Originally posted by Ser Comguitoz:

Originally posted by HakkaStyle:

Yeah I would think so. Like I said I am a regular Magus (not sword saint) and took prof with bastard sword at level 3. My original reply was that you *could* use bastard sword as magus. I tried it on a level1 fighter level 1 magus in testing characters and same thing, he used it 1 handed once i took the magus class. The casting spell through it happened when I got that ability at level 2.

I would have to look at the sword saint info, do they not get the level 2 ability?

they do! just curious about it. probably will stick with a bastard sword also, i started all over again cuz i didnt have high enough int. so :P ♥♥♥♥ it. always learning right? xD

[Randomz]

Originally posted by HakkaStyle:

I would have to look at the sword saint info, do they not get the level 2 ability?

Yea they do. You can check the documentation for the archetype here:

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/magus/archetypes/paizo-magus-archetypes/kensai

[Randomz]

Originally posted by Tai Chi:

Originally posted by Randomz:

Sure, it's an exotic weapon. Although I think the racial weapons may have some issues with them at the moment.

The descriptors of race named weapons says can treat any weapon with (race name) in the description as a martial weapon. So maybe the problem is that people aren't taking martial weapon prof.

Nah it's an outright bug. I made a half-orc fighter and couldn't use the double axe.

[Kelticfury]

Originally posted by Randomz:

Originally posted by Tai Chi:

The descriptors of race named weapons says can treat any weapon with (race name) in the description as a martial weapon. So maybe the problem is that people aren't taking martial weapon prof.

Nah it's an outright bug. I made a half-orc fighter and couldn't use the double axe.

Hope they fix that soon, I was going to run my next playthrough with a racial weapon in mind.

[n1x0r]

@Title/OP.

Short answer, no. Technically, yes.

An elven curved blade is 2-handed, and you would therefore not be able to use Spell Combat ... Which should say something like

"At 1st level, a magus learns to cast spells and wield his weapons at the same time. This functions much like two-weapon fighting, but the off-hand weapon is a spell that is being cast. To use this ability, the magus must have one hand free (even if the spell being cast does not have somatic components), while wielding a light or one-handed melee weapon in the other hand. "

You will still be able to use Spellstrike.

Suggested weapons instead are: Fencing grace /w Estoc, rapier (+2, agile rapier available in chapter 2) or Slashing grace /w Scimitar.

The reason is the 18-20 crit profile that is enhanced to 15-20 with keen. The reason e.g. the Falcata is not prefered, is because spells still only deal x2 on a critical, even if the weapon is x3 (or x4 at level 20).

Fencing grace and Slashing Grace works in pathfinder Kingmaker. In pathfinder tabletop Sword Saints (Kensais) instead take a feat called Dervish Dancer, because of the particular wording you see at the end of Fencing Grace.

[Erikkustrife]

Elfs can use the elven curve blade just fine in game, the problem is its two handed and thus cant use spell combat.

[Comguitoz]

Originally posted by n1x0r:

@Title/OP.

Short answer, no. Technically, yes.

An elven curved blade is 2-handed, and you would therefore not be able to use Spell Combat ... Which should say something like

"At 1st level, a magus learns to cast spells and wield his weapons at the same time. This functions much like two-weapon fighting, but the off-hand weapon is a spell that is being cast. To use this ability, the magus must have one hand free (even if the spell being cast does not have somatic components), while wielding a light or one-handed melee weapon in the other hand. "

You will still be able to use Spellstrike.

Suggested weapons instead are: Fencing grace /w Estoc, rapier (+2, agile rapier available in chapter 2) or Slashing grace /w Scimitar.

The reason is the 18-20 crit profile that is enhanced to 15-20 with keen. The reason e.g. the Falcata is not prefered, is because spells still only deal x2 on a critical, even if the weapon is x3 (or x4 at level 20).

Fencing grace and Slashing Grace works in pathfinder Kingmaker. In pathfinder tabletop Sword Saints (Kensais) instead take a feat called Dervish Dancer, because of the particular wording you see at the end of Fencing Grace.

hum... but slashing grace isnt only for dex weapons? i was wonder the impression that if i used a str based character i couldnt use them

[Randomz]

Originally posted by Ser Comguitoz:

hum... but slashing grace isnt only for dex weapons? i was wonder the impression that if i used a str based character i couldnt use them

Yea Slashing Grace is only for one handed slashing weapons. If you want to use a strength build an Elven curved blade is awesome because it also has the high crit range. Make the weapon have the Keen property OR take the improved critical feat(they do not stack), and have a blast critting with your spells with a two handed sword (:

[Comguitoz]

Originally posted by Randomz:

Originally posted by Ser Comguitoz:

hum... but slashing grace isnt only for dex weapons? i was wonder the impression that if i used a str based character i couldnt use them

Yea Slashing Grace is only for one handed slashing weapons. If you want to use a strength build an Elven curved blade is awesome because it also has the high crit range. Make the weapon have the Keen property OR take the improved critical feat(they do not stack), and have a blast critting with your spells with a two handed sword (:

should i multiclass? or just take full Sword saint?

[Randomz]

Originally posted by Ser Comguitoz:

Originally posted by Randomz:

Yea Slashing Grace is only for one handed slashing weapons. If you want to use a strength build an Elven curved blade is awesome because it also has the high crit range. Make the weapon have the Keen property OR take the improved critical feat(they do not stack), and have a blast critting with your spells with a two handed sword (:

should i multiclass? or just take full Sword saint?

It's purely up to you. The spell that you will probably be using with spellstrike the most is shocking grasp. There aren't that many good melee touch spells on the magus spell list. (here's the full list of potential spells: https://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/spell-lists-and-domains/magus-spell-list)
So if we go based on that shocking grasp damage caps out at 5d6 at level 5. You have to decide on whether or not there are other class features the kensai provides that you'd be interested in. Otherwise the best multiclass option I can think of would be two handed fighter.

[Comguitoz]

Originally posted by Randomz:

Originally posted by Ser Comguitoz:

should i multiclass? or just take full Sword saint?

It's purely up to you. The spell that you will probably be using with spellstrike the most is shocking grasp. There aren't that many good melee touch spells on the magus spell list. (here's the full list of potential spells: https://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/spell-lists-and-domains/magus-spell-list)
So if we go based on that shocking grasp damage caps out at 5d6 at level 5. You have to decide on whether or not there are other class features the kensai provides that you'd be interested in. Otherwise the best multiclass option I can think of would be two handed fighter.

ok thanks for all the advices bro! one last thing. should i put more points in strength?
this are my stats:
str 15
dex 14
con 13
int 17
wis 13
cha 12

dont wanna lower cha cuz of rp roles :P

[Randomz]

Originally posted by Ser Comguitoz:

ok thanks for all the advices bro! one last thing. should i put more points in strength?
this are my stats:
str 15
dex 14
con 13
int 17
wis 13
cha 12

dont wanna lower cha cuz of rp roles :P

I would drop wisdom and raise con/dex up more. You're gonna be a frontliner that wears light armor so most of your AC is going to come from dex so you don't just get one shot. It also seems like that is more than a 25 point buy, what race are you?